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THE MORXTSG OREGOXTAy, SATTJTtDAY, OCTOBER 5, 1912.
COLONEL DENIES HE
SOUGHED
On Witness Stand, ex-Presi
if dent Says Charges Against
! Him Are Hearsay.
SESSION IS PICTURESQUE
Committee and Spectators Frequently
Moved to Laughter by Remarks.
Bliss and ; McHarj Are
Warmly : Defended.
(Contlnned From First Page.)
securing Southern delegates and a de
mand that Charles D. Hllles, Republi
can National chairman and. Congress
man Bartholdt, of Missouri, be sum
moned by the committee because of
statements attributed to them that the
"Progressives bad expended $4,000,000
In their primary-"
"I saw the different gentlemen who
were Interested In my campaign both
at Chicago and before Chicago," he
said, "and I explained, with the utmost
explicitness, that I would not tolerate
any effort of any kind being made by
the use of money or the offer of patron
age or the offer of any consideration
whatever, to get a delegate for me
of any kind, sort or description."
A letter dated March B, 112, from
Or-msby McHarg, was presented to the
committee by Colonel Roosevelt. Mr.
McHarg, who handled contest cases for
Colonel Roosevelt at the Chicago con
ventl-ra. said that "no reputable man
. In the United States can face me and
unblushingly say that I made a prom
13 of patronage or money or made any
aert ot an Improper offer to Influence
him to secure delegates lor you. or oo
anything else of a political character
lor you."
I Sitmmonlma of Others Demanded.
I Colonel Roosevelt insisted that the
com.iittee summon at once the repre
sehtativea of all other candidates and
Immediately should call Mr. Hllles and
Mr. Bartholdt to account for their
-statements.
'I suggest very strongly," he said.
"(hat these gentlemen be brought im
mediately before the committee and
required to make their statements
gaUO. A IUw inj mu. uuuui.ij
between the Iniquity of breaking the
eighth and breaking the ninth com
mandment. Thou shalt not steal' Is
one and "Thou shalt not bear false wit
ness asainsi thy neighbor is the other,
atvd any man who breaks either com
mandment is guilty of Infamy.
ij'If Mr. Hllles and Mr. Bartholdt can
prove their assertions, I want to know
It., If they can't, they should not only
bei reaulred to apologize, but they
should immediately be driven out of
public life. That kind of statement is
a& Infamy unless It Is absolutely based
on fact. It is their duty to mane we
accusation If they know It to be true
and It la infamy to make It if they
don't know It to be true."
t Cortelyou Denial Reaffirmed.
As to the Arch bold- ?Standard Oil
contribution of $100,000, Colonel Roose
velt said ho knew nothing of It ex
cept the report that reached him Just
before he wrote his letter to Chairman
Cortelyou, Ootober 26, 1904, instruct
ing blm to accept ho such contribution
or to return It If it had been accepted.
He said he had been repeatedly In
formed that no contribution bad been
made.
."Cortelyou told me that," he added,
"and Mr Bliss told Mr. Loeb that, and
only the other day Cortelyou informed
me again that be had been Informed by
Mr. Bliss that no such contribution
bad been received"
The Colonel said he knew nothing of
- 2100,000 contributions by J. P. Morgan
or George J. Gould until Mr. M erf pan
and George R- Sheldon testified before
the committee. He knew H. C. Prick
had contributed heavily, he said, and
was ready to contribute again If It had
been desired.
Colonel Roosevelt said he had never
denied that corporations gave to the
1904 campaign fund. At that time, he
declared, it was not considered im
proper for them to contribute. He had
made a rule for the National commit
tee, however, he added, that no such
contribution should be received from
any source if it carried with it an im
plied or direct promise of return or
favor from the Administration.
Campaign of 1904 Taken I'D.
Colonel Roosevelt entered the com
mitteeroom, followed by a secretary
lugging a big valise filled with papers.
"You were a candidate for President
In 1904 V asked Senator Clapp, the
chairman.
"I was," answered the Colonel
shortly.
"George B. Cortelyou was chairman
of the committee that year!'
"He was."
"And Cornelius N. Bliss was treas
urer?" "He was."'
, Senator Clapp asked Colonel Roose
velt if his attention had been called
to- certain statements made by John
I. Archbold.
fit has," replied Colonel Roosevelt
tersely.
Senator Clapp asked the Colonel
what he knew about the Archbold con
tribution at the time it was said to
have been made.
The Colonel asked permission to In
clude in his answer the letter he sent
to Chairman Clapp. already published,
denying that he knew of any standard
Oil contribution to the 1904 campaign
an1 the time It was made.
"In the first place, gentlemen," he
said, "since I was elected Governor of
New York, that was about 14 years
ago, I have written and signed about
a i hundred thousand letters, so it is
nok possible at once to recall all the
Utters I have written on any given
subject.
" .Letter to Sheldon Read.
i Looking through my letter books
slice I wrote my recent letter to Sena
tor Clapp, 1 have found two other let
ters bearing on campaign contribu
tions. One was the letter to Cornelius
N Bliss in 1906, which I understood
was recently given to your commit
tee; the other a letter written to
Ueorge R. Sheldon In 1908."
polonel Roosevelt found the letter
and handed it to Senator Clapp, who
had It placed In the record. At the
chairman's request. Colonel Roosevelt
read the letter dated September Jl.
1:108, and addressed to 3eorge R. Shel
tioti. treasurer of the Republican Na
tional committee. It was practically
a- follows:
'I am informed that you or soma
ope on behalf of the National com
mittee has been soliciting contributions
from corporations, particularly from
John D. Archbold and the Standard
Oil Company. If this is true, I wish
toT enter a vigorous protest and say
that not only should such contribution
be) refused but that if made it should
be) Immediately returned."
Prosecuted Corporations Tnraea Down.
Jl'he letter set forth that "four years
ago Mr. Cortelyou refused all contri
butions from corporations which were
being prosecuted or were likely to be
prosecuted" and that Colonel Roosevelt
wished the same course followed in I
the 1908 campaign.
Colonel Roosevelt also read the Iet
terof October 26, 1804, to Chairman
Cortelyou.. in which he declared that
if any money had been contributed by
the Standard Oil Company or John D.
Archbold, it should be returned at
once. This letter was an emphatic dec
laration" to Mr. Cortelyou that "we
cannot under any circumstances afford
to take a contribution that might be
construed as placing us under an obli
gation."
Colonel Roosevelt said he also found
that on October 27, 1904, he had sent
an extra telegram, to. Chairman ' Cor
telyou. This message referred to his
letter to Cortelyou demanding return i
of the Standard Oil contribution. Colo- I
nel Roosevelt offered the. committee
the originals of -all the letters he .had I
sent to Chairman Clapp. or had, read!
Into the record.
"Now, in regard to the Harriman
fund " began Senator Clapp.
Colonel Roosevelt interrupted ana
asked to explain the char-res that!
have been . made "in regular t order,
and Senator Clapp. acquiesced. '
Evidence Declared All. Hearsay.
'There is no testimony against me. I
except Jn, the form of hearsay evi-I
dence," the Colonel said." "Hearsay!
statements of men" that are dead."
Colonel Roosevelt said he had not I
Intended to bring his former private I
secretary into the ' controversy, but
that as the committee had already de
termined to call William Loeb, Jr., he
had asked him to . bear out his state
ments. -
"May ' I speak of a letter published
in Hearst's Magazine from Congress
man Sibley?" asked the Colonel, and
then went on:
"It is a letter which In substance
states that Sibley came to see me and
spoke to me about seeing- Mr. Arch
bold, and I said I would be 'delighted'
to see him and asked Mr. Sibley to
bring Mr. Archbold to lunch. I don't
remember ever having talked to Mr.
Sibley about that matter, but it Is
very possible I may have done so. -Any
invitation that I may have extended
was the result of a request of Jrlr.
Sibley."
Archbold Comes Wltk Bourne.
Senator Bourne, he added, had once
brought Mr. Archbold to lunch at Oys
ter Bay. .
"While. I was President," continued
Colonel Roosevelt, speaking slowly, "if
any man, trust magnate. Socialist, law
yer or clergyman, had any business
with me and wanted to see me, I gladly
saw him. And if I thought there was
anything to be gained from the stand
point of the public service in seeing
any man, then without waiting for him
to ask, I would send for him.
"If I am elected President, a year
hence, if Mr. Rockefeller or anyone else
wants to see me, I'll see him and, more
over, If r have anything to ask, for the
public service, from Mr. Rockefeller, J'.
P. Morgan or anyone else, I'll send for
him." -Colonel
Roosevelt Instanced his prac
tice of that policy by saying during
his Administration he had sent for
James J. Hill, the railroad magnate. "I
think I sent for J. P. Morgan," said he,
"at least, I saw Mr. Morgan in regard
to current questions.
"Now, about' the Harriman business,
said the Colonel. "I feel that there
ought not be need for any intelligent
man to ask any question after reading
the letters I wrote at that time."
Here he took up his letters to Har
riman and defended the use of the term
"practical men" in the much-discussed
letter of October 14, 1906. He said his
effort was to get practical men in pol
itics. "When the use of the word -practical'
Is taken to Indicate some Improper mo
tive on the part of the -user, then I
think there is some moral weakness in
the man who makes the accusation
declared the Colonel emphatically. Then
he read the letter and declared that it
was "absolutely incompatible with
suggestion of my getting aid from Mr.
Harriman in any way.
"On October 20, 1904," Colonel Roose
velt said, "Mr. Harriman had telephoned
to Secretary Loeb, who told the Presi
dent Mr. Harriman wanted to see him
about the New York State campaign,
which was "running badly." " The
Colonel said he made an appointment
through Secretary Loeb, at Mr. Harri
man's request. "Mr. Loeb was present
through almost all of that interview.
There was no possibility of any mis
understanding. I mention it because
I see some well-meaning but flabby
persons have said there might have
been a misunderstanding between Mr.
Harriman and myself."
Colonel Roosevelt said at the lme
the Harriman contribution was made
there was no doubt of the National
ticket carrying New York, but that the
state ticket was in difficulties.
There was not one word spoken
by Mr. Harriman or me having refer
ence to the collection of funds for the
National campaign," he added. "The
entire conversation was to the effect
that aid should be given to the state
campaign.
Colonel Roosevelt said he had subse
quently had a talk with Mr. Harriman,
who favored the appointment of ex
Senator Depew as Ambassador to
France, but he told Mr. Harriman that
other financial men were supporting
James H. Hyde. Mr. Harriman began
to "back water." Colonel Roosevelt
added he made it clear that Mr. Hyde
was too young for the important dip
lomatic post and had not "won his
spurs.
Harriman Never Asked for Help.
T wish to call your attention," said
Colonel Roosevelt, "to the fact that
Judge Duell and Mr. Sheldon both have
testified that Mr. Bliss stated that the
money was not raised by Mr. Harri
man for the National campaign, but
that It was raised by Mr. Bliss to help
out Mr. Harriman in the state cam
paign. Mr. Loeb was present at the
interview between Mr. Harriman and
myself and heard every word.
Mr. Harriman asked me to get Mr.
Cortelyou and Mr. ' Bliss to help raise
funds for the New YorL State cam
paign. I' never asked Mr. Harriman
directly or Indirectly for a dollar to
help inthat campaign or any other."
Colonel Roosevelt said he wished to
correct his statement regarding his In
terview with Mr. Harriman.
"Mr. Harriman told me," he said,
the National committee people had
plenty of money, and I told ilm I
knew nothing about that. His request
to me was that I ask the National
committee to give money, not that I
ask the National committee to help
raise money."
Colonel Roosevelt then discussed-Al
ton B. Parker's statement in 1904, and
declared that a repeated misstatement
charged to him was that he had said
corporations did not contribute to his
1904 campaign.
I never made the statement that
corporations had not contributed to
the Republican party," he said em
phatically. . Corporation Aid A'erer Denied.
He said his recent letter to Chair
man 'Clapp and his "open published
statement made it clear Be had never
dented that corporations had contrib
uted, but denied specifically that cor
porations had been "blackmailed" into
contributing, or "assured of some kind
of favor" for contributing.
"Now. I wish to take up the case
of Mr. Archbold and Senator Penrose,"
said the Colonel.
I wish to call your attention to this
fact in connection with the statements
of Mr. Archbold as to Mr. Harriman.
Each testified he got no Improper con
sideration from the Administration. Mr.
Archbold and Mr. Harriman alike com
plain not that the Administration did
what it ought not to nave aone, but
that the Administration refused to do
wht it ought not to do. Mr. Arehbold
and Mr. Harriman's complaint is that
they got nothing from the Administra
tion. 'Mr. Archbold testified that Cornelius
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I don't for a minute believe Mr. Bliss
tried to blackmail him; if he did, I
knew nothing of it.
"I want to call your attention to the
testimony of Messrs. Archbold and Pen
rose against themselves. Mr. Penrose
testified that he advised Mr. Archbold
to have the Standard Oil Company sub
mlt to the blackmail and that he did It
to prevent being subjected to hostility
from- certain sources. They could mean
hostility only from myself, the Attor
ney-General or the Commissioner of
Corporations.
"I had no way of being hostile unless
they violated the law. So the action
of Penrose in advising Standard Oil to
make that contribution was advice to
It to protect itself against prosecution
for violation of the law.
Analogy of Police Job Drawn.
"If, when I was Police Commissioner
of New York City," said the Colonel, "a
member, of the police force did, ta con
nection with the enforcement of the
law against liquor-selling, what Mr.
Penrose says he did in this case,' I
could have thrown him off the force."
The Colonel leaned forward in his
chair, shook his fist at the committee
and shouted:
"And I bold that the Senate of the
United States should throw Mr. Penrose
out of the Senate for the admissions he
made before this committee." ' '
"Now, as to Mr. Archbold," resumed
the Colonel. "He testifies he made this
contribution and expected some un
usual kind of compensation. He says
Mr. Penrose tried to blackmail him, yet
he sees nothing wrong In what Mr.
Bliss did. He sees nothing improper
in attempting to extort a contribution
from him. His complaint is that noth
ing improper was done for him."
He referred to Mr. Archbold s state
ment that the Roosevelt Administra
tion's "treament of the Staldard Oil
rivaled darkest Abyssinia."
"It is true that when I was President
I administered the 'darkest Abyssinia
treatment' to the Standard Oil Company
but it was because it needed It."
After a brief recess. Colonel Roose
velt resumed:
'The next statement that I want to
call your attention to is that of Mr.
Archbold. that when the Bureau of
Corporations began its Investigations
of the Standard Oil Mr. Archbold went
to Mr. Bliss to call me off. He testi
fies that Mr. Bliss told him, 1 have no
influence with Mr. Roosevelt; I cannot
help you." That statement is only part
ly true, for Mr. Bliss did have great
Influence with me. I had a great re
spect for Mr. BUss.
Morgan's Testimony Referred To.
"But it Is true that neither Mr. Bliss
aor any other human being had the
slightest influence with me so far as
getting me to refrain from prosecuting
dead, attempted to I - IV, TiVX?
that I knew of it. I la
POINTS FROM TESTIMONY OF COLONEL ROOSEVELT BEFORE
COMMITTEE INVESTIGATING CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.
Colonel declares there is no testimony against hrm except that of men who
are dead.
Senator Bourne once "took Mr. Arehbold to lunch at Oyster Bay.
"If I am elected President, a year hence, If Mr. Rockefeller or anyone else :
wants to soe ms, I'll see him. and moreover, it I have an-rtblns to ask. for
the public service, from Mr. Rockefeller or anyone else, I'll send for him."
Colonel defended use of word of phrase, --practical men." in Eazriman let
ter. "When the use of the word -practical' Is taken to indicate some improper
motive on the part of tbe nser." he said, "then I think there is some moral -weakness
on the part of the man whomake the accusation."
Financiers were convinced by Colonel, he says, that James H. Hyde was too
yonnc to be ambassador to France that he had not "won his spun."
Colonel says Mr. Archbold testified Mr. Bliss attempted to blackmail him.
with the Colonel's knowledre. "I don't tor a minute believe Mr. BUss tried to
blackmail htm." be added. "If he did. I knew nothing of it."
Mr. Archbold's statement that Mr. BUss said, "I have no influence with Mr.
Roosevelt," declared only partly true. "Mr. Bliss did have great Influence with
me," Colonel teetlf iesl "I had great respect tor Mr. Bliss."
"No one connected with Mr. Morgan ever hinted that the contribution had
been made; and no one ever hinted to me that any favor should be shown to
Mr. Mor-ran for any reason whatever."
Colonel denies that -f3.000.000 was used in Prosrssslve campaisn." and
"suggests very strongly" that Mr. Elllee and Mr. Bartholdt be eaUed to produce
proof. He also demands that Charles P. Taft. William B. McKlnley and also
Chairman McCombs and Vice-Chairman McAdoo, of the Democratic committee,
be summoned.
Statement reiterated that return to Standard OU Company of any contribu
tion It bad made in 1904 was ordered, and that Mr. Cortelyou had reassured
him he knew of no such contribution. a
Colonel Roosevelt did not deny that corporations had contributed to the 1004
campaign. He saM his letters and published statements had always acknowl
edged the fact, bat he specified that Bo sneh contribution had svsr been ob
tained under any suggestion that the Administration would reward the givers
with special favors.
"Senator Penrose should be driven from the Senate," Coleael declared, be
cun of bis acknowledged friendliness with Standard Oil interests."
Colonel says he knew B. C Frlck had contributed and was willing to give .
more. -
Mr. Harriman received several Invitations to call ft White House. -
f i y.i :v:: w j ...
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ABOVE, RECENT SNAPSHOT AND BELOW TWO M FIGHTING n POSES
OF COLONEL ROOSEVELT.
any corporation for breaking the law.
All these men who testify against me
testify that I refused to do, or did not
do, anything Improper In their inter
ests. And they are all now supporting
the candidates against me those who
are alive."
He said he had a fight with the
Standard Oil Company in 1902 when he
was getting through the Bureau of Cor
poration Bill.
"Senator Clapp, you were in the fight
and so were you, Senator Paynter, I be
lieve." He finally got the bill through, he
said, by publishing telegrams sent by
the younger Mr. Rockefeller.
"I had my first brash with the Stan
dard Oil Company then," he said, "and
they knew Just what they could ex
pect from me.
"I wish to call your attention to this
fact in connection with J. P. Morgan's
testimony yesterday. It was in my
first administration that the Northern
Securities case was settled with a ver
dict against Mr. Morgan and James J.
Hill. It was also during my first ad
ministration that I settled the anthra-
cite coal strike. I have understood that
Mr. Morgan expressed vigorously his
dissatisfaction with my attitude in that
case, and I was surprised to find that
he had contributed to my campaign
fund. No one connected with Mr. Mor
gan ever hinted that the contribution
had been made-and no one ever hint'
ed to me that, ny favor should be
shown to jur. .Morgan zor any reason
whatever.
Tribute Paid to Bliss.
Colonel Roosevelt said he first heard
of Mr. Morgan's contribution in the
testimony yesterday. He then paid a
tribute to Cornelius N. Bliss.
Colonel Roosevelt insisted that dur
Ing the 1904 campaign Mr. Bliss had
assured him that no promise, "express
or implied, had been made in regard
to contributions, and that Mr. BUss
had never asked him after his election
for any favors for contributors.
Colonel Roosevelt asked to make a
further statement regarding his cam
paign this year.
"I saw the different men who were
interested in my campaign at Chicago
and before, and explained explicitly
that I would tolerate no effort of any
kind by the use of money or the offer
of patronage to go lor me. -
"The only time I ever saw it charged
was in reierence to urmsoy jn.cr-.arg. x
wrote a letter to him and got an
answer which I have here."
Colonel Roosevelt's letter was writ
ten March 4, 1912, and asked McHarg
for his personal assurance "that be
never used money or other influence
to secure his delegates." Mr. McHargs
reply read in part:
"I unhesitatingly say that no reputa
ble man can say that I ever endeavored
by the use of money or the pscmlse of
patronage to aid our campaign. 1 wisn
unequlvocably to deny that charge.
Use of a3,000,000 Denied.
Colonel Roosevelt took up the alle
gation that 23,000,000 was used in the
Progressive primary campaign.
"Mr. Hilles and Congressman Bart
holdt have, made this statement." he
said. "I suggest very strongly that both
these men be called here immediately
and asked to produce their proof.
"The man who. bears false witness is
guilty of as - infamous conduct as the
man who steals. If Mr. Bartholdt or
Mr. Hilles can prove their statements
they ought to be compelled to do so. ll
they cannot they ought to be driven
out of public Hie. -
"I want to call your attention to the
fact, gentlemen, that, however unwlli
ingly, the men you have called before
you thus far, have all been called to
testify to contributions to my funds.
I realize that I have to make my way
against both of the old parties htft I
respectfully suggest that you call some
men who know about the expenditures
of other candidates.
"Our complaint is not that we are
called here, but that men who make
the charges were not called first.'
Colonel Roosevelt demanded that
Charles P. Taft, William B. McKlnley
and also Chairman McCombs and VIce
Chairman McAdoo, of tbe Democratic
committee, be summoned.
"You can see it is hard on me," said
Roosevelt, "to have to wait a month to
answer Mr. Archbold's charges and
then to have things so arranged that
the attention of the country is riveted
on the campaign expenditures of the
Progressive party, while no attention
Is directed to the campaign funda of
the other candidates.
"I assure you that If the committee
lives the other men will be brought
here before election,'- said Chairman
Clapp.
At that point a recess until 1:30
o'clock was taken.
Two Contributions Refused. '
After the recess. Colonel Roosevelt
resumed:
"I had an explicit understanding with
Mr. Bliss and Mr. Cortelyou that no
money was to be accepted if any kind
of conditions were expressed or implied
as to Its receipt, and the money was to
ba spent in any improper way, such as
Lthe buying of votes.
"Mr. Cortelyou told me of two In
stances of his returning contributions.
One of these was from a gentleman
who, after .making a large contribu
tion, mentioned that he would like to
be a candidate for Minister to Belgium.
The other was in the case of the To
bacco Trust and the independent tobac
co dealers. Both these contributions
were refused."
There was no rule limiting the
amount of a contribution, said, the Col
onel.
Senator Paynter asked what Colonel
Roosevelt meant by saying no money
was to be accepted with a condition
'implied.
' "Such a condition as Mr. Archbold
indicated," said the Colonel in reply.
He explained that he considered Mr.
Archbold's statements indicated an
implication" of some understanding.
Morgan's fl00,0OO Little to Archbold.
That $100,000 from Mr. Morgan
probably meant less to him than the
20 I received from the lady who was
bookkeeper in Cleveland or the Jl from
the widow of a veteran in a soldiers'
home," explained the Colonel.
Senator Paynter asked the meaning
of B. a Harriman's letter of June 2,
1904, in which Mr. Harriman said be
was trying to see "Dodge, Hughitt and
Frick."
The Colonel said Marvin Hughitt bad
agreed with his views on rate legisla
tion and that when anyone differed
with him as to railroad legislation, he
sent them to Mr. Hughitt, who could ex
plain "my position from the viewpoint
of a practical railroad man."
The witness said be and Harriman
were very good friends. Senator Payn
ter wanted to know about the invita
tion to Harriman to dine at the White
House.
Oh, I wrote him several times, invit-
ine him to call,'- said the Colonel.
Colonel .Roosevelt said he aid noij
know," and "'could not remember," cir
cumstances of many of the Harriman
letters put in the record by C. C. Tege
thoff. Senator Paynter tried to get Roose
velt to say that Harriman's visit in
response to a telegram in October,
1904, was a result of "the President's
earnest solicitation," but the Colonel
insisted Harriman's visit was prompted
solely by the New York State situation.
Harrlmu Oblig-atlea Denied.
-Senator Paynter was insistent, and
Anally Colonel Roosevelt exclaimed,
with a trace of Impatience:
"Why,- Senator Paynter, he wasn't
under any obligation to come; he could
come-or not. Just as he wanted to."
"He had an invitation to come under
those circumstances?" asked Senator
Paynter.
"He or anyone else could come or not
come under any circumstances," re
torted 'the Colonel. .
Colonel Roosevelt discussed the Hig
glns' gubernatorial campaign in New
York.
"Mr. Htgglns was supposed to be," he
said,, "merely an instrument of Mr.
Odelf. ' Mr. Odell was very close to Mr.
Harriman. A . bitter campaign was
waged against Mr. Htggins an I Mr.
Harriman became favorably interested
as a matter of personal pride."-
President Roosevelt admitted that aid
given the Republican state ticket in
1904 would have helped him.
"But that was not the idea." he said.
"They all knew I was safe and they
were trying to develop strength for
Higgins. .
"If you'll look at the betting at that
time on me and on Higgins you'll see
how matters stood."
Senator Pomerene. then began Col
onel Roosevelt's examination.
: Bliss Alone Directly Authorised.
"Did you at any time -furnish a list
of names of possible contributors to
the campaign managersr
"Not as far as my memory goes.
would have remembered It," said the
Colonel. He said he had never author
ized anyone to collect funds except by
the general authorization given Mr.
Bliss.
Of his letters directing return of th
Standard Oil contributions, the Colonel
said the 'only -accusation specifically
made about the receipts of money con
ceraed the Standard Oil Company and
"that was the only one I considered
it necessary to answer."
Pomerene pointed out that Mr. Cor
telyou, as Secretary of Commerce and
Labor, had general supervision of the
Bureau of Corporations prior to nls be
coming chairman of the National com
mlttee, and asked if Judge Parker's
charges were not general allegations
as to the undeslrability of placing the
supervising head of the bureau of cor
porations in a position to collect funds
from corporations. '
Yes, the charge was largely by in
nuendo," replied the Colonel, "And
dislike a charge of that kind more
than I do a direct charge.- I like
man to be game."
Senator Pomerene asked If It ' would
not be natural for . corporations which
contributed in 1904 to expect favors.
Colonel Says Ideal Are High.
. "It's Impossible for me 'to say that
any man who gives a dollar does not
expect a return for that dollar, said
Colonel Roosevelt. "But when I tell
him he will get no return, I can pre
vent his expecting it."
"As a practical man. Colonel," said
Senator Pomerene, "don't you believe
that at least some of the big contribu
tors expected returns?"
The Colonel grasped the arms of hia
chair and half rose.
"Speaking as a practical man of high
Ideals, who has tried to put these Ideals
into practice, I believe that when I tell
a man he will receive no returns. If he
then Insists upon giving and expecting
a return, he Is either a crook or a took
A wave of applause swept the com
mlttee room and Chairman Clapp
banged his gavel.
Senator Pomerene asked about the
contribution of the Steel Corporation
and Colonel Roosevelt said that he
knew only of the contribution by H. C.
Frick. He did not know, he said, of
the contribution of J. P. Morgan, unless
that $150,000 represented also the con
trlbutlon of Morgan's associates.
Frlck Offers to Make tip Loss.
"If the contributors included Mr.
Frick," he added, "I probably knew in
a general way that it had been made,
because I knew Frlck had contributed.
Mr. Frlck knew of my demand that the
Standard Oil contribution be returned
and he said that if that meant a loss
to my campaign he would contribute
more, although he had already given
to the fund.
Colonel Roosevelt said he knew noth
ing about contributions by life insur
ance companies. -
"Did you know how much was con
tributed by the beef interest?"
I knew nothing about it. This is
the first suggestion! ever heard about
their contribution. I had already moved
against the beef trust and I don't be
lieve they contributed. 1 supposed they
were against us," said the Colonel.
You say you moved against the
Standard Oil Company before the 1904
campaign? Why did you suppose the
company changed its attitude and con
tributed?" asked benator i-omerene.
I have no means of knowing, said
the Colonel.
Colonel Roosevelt said he knew noth
ing of contributions by railroads; that
Mr. Cortelyou had informed, mm no
funds had been accepted from the to
bacco interests.
Senator Pomerene asked If the so-
called "'etial trust" had contributed.
No Contribution Would Surprise Him.
My dear sir," returned Colonel
Roosevelt, "after the revelations that
have been made here. I wouldn't be
surprised at any one contributing." He
said no report was made to him as to
the receipts or the contriDutors.
Were . vou ever, advised as to tne
proportion of the' campaign funds of
1904 contributed by corporations:
"No, never; I never neara it, an
swered the Colonel "I never made any
inouirles. I didn't even know the con
tributora in this campaign unui r.
Hooker 'published them before this
committee." said the Colonel.
'Colonel, it has appeared here in tne
testimony that the iilOO.OOO contributed
by the Standard Oil Company was not
returned," said Benator i-omerene.
Well, does it appear as a tact.' in
terrupted Colonel Roosevelt.
Yes, there is evmence to i -.act.
said Pomerene.
"I want vou to note. Colonel Roose
velt returned, "that I have never said,
either that I did nor did not believe
It was made. Until Mr. Archbold tes
tified. I had never heard that the
Standard Oil Company or Mr. Archbold
had made a contribution. I had heard
that Rogers had made some. I heard
it a vear or two after the campaign,
but I understood Bliss did not class
him as a 'Standard Oil representative
because he had other large interests.
know nothing about tne ArcaDoia
contribution.
Nothing Known of Harriman Fond.
"What evidence did you have that
the ' Standard Oil contribution was
made?" asked Pomerene.
Mr. Bliss informed Mr. Loeb it had
not been made. answered coionei
Roosevelt. "Mr. Cortelyou informed me
that Mr. Bliss had told him it had not
been made. '
Do you know who contrioutea to
the 1250,000 fund raised by Mr. Harri
man?"
"I don't know. I see jur. Morgan
said yesterday he contributed to it. Re
member. I don t Know mat. suca a iuiiu
was ever raised."
Was there any reason why Mr. tjor-
telyou should not have full knowledge
of whether the $100,000 Standard Oil
contribution was returned?" asked Sen
ator Pomerene.
"Not that I know."
Colonel Roosevelt said that in reply
to his letters demanding the return of
the Standard Oil subscription, Cortel
you and Bliss telephoned to Loeb, andl
Cortelyou came to Washington and as
sured him no such contribution had
been received.
Colonel Roosevelt said he had no
knowledge of any "conference of big
financial interests in New York to de
vise ways and means to support the
Republican candidates." He knew noth.
ing of the appointment of a secret
"advisory committee" in 1904 or
whether Mr. Harriman had been asked
by Mr. Cortelyou to serve on such a
committee.
Name Recalls No Memories.
Senator Paynter asked if the Colonel
knew Herman Fresch. of New- York.
"'Fresch, of New York?" repeated the
Colonel. "I knew so many 'Fresch'
men I feel as If I must ask If I know
that man."
So he turned to Mr. Loeb, who said
Mr. Fresch was in the sulphur business.
"You see," Interrupted the Colonel,
"It may be someone who has saidl to
me, 'I am the man who waved the flag
when you came Into the station,' or
something of that kind."
"This one seemed to be extremely
anxious to wave your flag, for he con
tributed $10,000 to your pre-convention
campaign."
"Then I shall make his acquaintance
at once." said Colonel Roosevelt with
energy.
Senator Paynter said that it had been
suggested that Mr. Fresch was at one
time connected with the Standard Oil
Company.
Colonel Roosevelt leaned back In his
chair, laughed and exclaimed: -
Mjr-'dear Senator., if anyone con
nected with the Standard Oil Company
is contributing to me now, he is doing
so at his own peril. I don't feei obliged
to warn him. Do you think from Mr.
Archbold's testimony he was in favor
of me "
This "brought forth a wave of laugh
ter. Campaign Not --l!nde-n-rritten.,,
Colonel Roosevelt said he could give
the committee no information of the
expenditures of his managers In this
year's primary campaign.
"It has been suggested that a large
sum of money was underwritten to be
spent In the campaign. What do you
know about that?" he was asked.
The Colonel said there was abso
lutely no such arrangement.
"But on one occasion." he continued,
"the expense of a special train for a
trip was underwritten by Mr. Perkins
and Mr. Munsey, I think. The sum was
later paid back," he added.
Colonel Roosevelt declared that at
one period in the campaign. when
Treasurer Hooker brought him a clip
ping of a newspaper article to the ef
fect that $900,000 had been raised for
the Roosevelt fund, there was $1.67 In
the party treasury.
The Colonel said he had no further
information and was excused. He then
went to the National Museum to see his
African trophies.
William Loeb, Jr., followed him on
the stand.
Loeb Telia of Harriman Interview.
Mr. ' Loeb substantiated Colonel
Roosevelt's testimony that Mr. Harri
man called up the White House in Oc
tober, 1904, and asked for an engage
ment to see the President, "because
the state situation in New York was
troubling them." He then related what
was said at this interview.
Mr. Harriman started by saying New
York was all right as far as the
President was concerned, testified Mr.
Loeb, but that a bolt had occurred
against the state ticket and Higgins.
because It was said to be an Odell
ticket.
Mr. Harriman, he added, asked that
the National committee help OdelL
"The President said," continued Mr.
Loeb, ' 'Mr. Harriman, I don't know
the condition of funds of tbe National
committee, but I should be sorry to
have Mr. Higgins beaten and I shall
see Mr. Cortelyou.' Then the President
directed me to telephone this to Mr.
Cortelyou, which I did. Mr. Cortelyou
said he would take the matter up with
Mr, Bliss and would be glad to see
Mr. Harriman."
Taking up the Standard Oil contribu
tion, Mr. Loeb said that after two let
ters had failed to elicit a reply from
Mr. Cortelyou as to refusing the con
tribution, he suggested telephoning to
Mr. Cortelyou. This failed to secure
a reply, he said, and he telephoned to
New York, getting Mr. Bliss.
Hr. Bliss Irritated.
"I told Mr. Bliss about the letters
and the telegrams and that the Presi
dent wanted to know if there was any
Standard OU contribution. Mr. Bliss
showed a little Irritation, I thought, in
his manner and said, 'You may tell
the President that the spirit and the
letter of Mr. Cortelyou's announcement
as to corporation contributions will be
carried out and that no contriDution
has been or will be received from tbe
Standard Oil Company."
"After talking with Mr; Bliss I was
told Mr. Cortelyou had come in. So
I talked with him. He said be had
been busy and Mr. Bliss had been out
and that was the occasion of receiv
ing no reply. He said that Mr. Bliss
had told him no such contribution nad
been or would be received and that as
far as his knowledge went, no such
contribution had been or would be re
ceived."
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