J.
PORTLAND, OREGON, THURSDAY. JULY 18, 1912.
PRICE FIVE-CENTS.
VOL. LII- NO. 16,115.
DIXON TO RETIRE
FROM NEW PARTY
FAMOUS TENOR TO
SPOKANE TO SEE
PACT IN
GASES
LINES SEPARATED;
ROSARIANS TAKE
RETURN TO STAGE
FUEL PRICES SOAR
DISCLOSED
- BRIDGE AT HEW ERA
SEATTLE BY STORM
ROOSEVELT LEADER OCT OF
JEAN DE RESZKE TO SCfG WAG
COAL PER TON TO GO 50 CENTS
SYMPATHY WITH MOVE.
NERIAN role.
HIGHER, PREDICTED.
SENATE IN TEMPER
TO IGNORE BRITAIN
DYNAMITE
Steam and Electric in
Two Systems.
SOUTHERN PACIFIC PLAN CUT
Main Route Will Cross River a
Town of New Era.
STRAHORN PUT IN CHARGE
Electrification Work Will Be Done
Under His Supervision Camp
bell Will Retain Position Over
Steam System in State.
Complete segregation of the Southern
Pacific Company's electric railroad lines
In Oregon from Its steam lines, and
construction at New Era of a new
bridge across the Willamette RiTer
ever which mainline trains will be
routed, have been officially decided
upon.
The organization of a department of
electric lines has already been made
under the name of the Portland. Eu
gene tc Eastern system. Robert Stra
horn has been made manager of the
electric lines. As fast as other steam
roads now In operation become elec
trifled, they will be transferred to this
system.
The new bridge to be built at New
Era, 17 miles south of Portland, will
be made a part" of the main line from
California. Trains northbound will
cross over it from the East side to the
West Side, and then reverse the Wil
lamette River over the Oswego cutoff
bridge, entering Portland as now, via
the East Side and over the Steel bridge.
Southbound trains will reverse this
routing. Considerable grades and
;urvee will then be eliminated.
Cars of the Canby-Molalla electric
line, now In course of construction, also
will use the bridge.
Werk la Pro pee Vaet.
D. TV. Campbell will continue as
general superintendent of the steam
roads, over which he now exercises
luthorlty. Mr. Strahorn will be vice
president and general manager of the
electric lines. The organization will be
similar to that maintained by the
Southern Paciflc Company In Los An
celes. There the Pacific Electric, under
the management of Paul Shoup, is op
rated Independently of the Southern
Pacific team roads.
Mr. Strahorn will have direct charge
3f the details attending the electrl
Icatlon of approximately 200 miles of
.'listing steam roads and the construc
tion of probably 100 miles of additional
electric road. As fast as these lines
re completed he will take over their
management. The present Intention is
to keep him at the head of the elec
trie lines In Oregon which will be
mown, collectively, as the Portland.
Eugene & Eastern, but It Is probable
that as soon as the present develop
ment project is completed his peculiar
talents as a constructive genius will
require that he serve the Harrlraan In
terests In li'e capacity elsewhere.
The Portland. Eugene & Eastern, is
the name under which the roads op
erating in various Willamette Valley
towns, including Eugene, Salem, Al
bany. Corvallis. Springfield and others.
were known. They were under the dl
rection of A. Welch who ostensibly
conceived the electric project In the
vslley and who recently turned the
property over to the Southern Pacific.
With the Welch system as a nucleus.
the Southern Paciflc Company Is hast
enlng construction of the line between
Canby and Mollala and the electrifica
tion of the Fourth street and Yamhill
lines radiating out of Portland.
Separate Office Opened.
As soon as the Fourth-street line is
electrified, therefore. It will cease to
be a part of the Southern Paciflc sys
tern proper, but will be known as the
Portland, Eugene & Eastern. The cars
that have been ordered for use on that
line will be lettered thus.
Offices of the Portland, Eugene &
Eastern have been opened on the fourth
floor of the Wells-Fargo building. The
engineering and operating departments
already are maintained separate from
the Southern Paciflc. The traffic de
partment of the old Portland, Eugene
& Eastern likewise is under separate
management, but It has not been den
nitely determined whether two sep
arate traffic departments will be main
tained. It is probable, though, that
there will be two.
General executive direction of the
two systems will remain with William
Sproule. president of the Southern Pa
cific, who has been in Portland and
vicinity for the last few days to ac
quaint himself with the various de
tails attending the electrification.
Development to Continue.
Southern Pacific officials are prepar
ing to carry out their electrto develop
ment as outlined by E. E. Calvin, gen
eral manager, through The Oregonian
several weeks ago. The Canby-Molalla
line and the Salem. Falls City &
Western, aa well as the line between
Salem and Fir, now under construction,
and the various other electric units ac
quired by the Southern Pacific, will
be Incorporated with the Portland. Eu
gene A Eastern and operated under
that name.
Final transfer of the Salem, Falls
City Western, which heretofore has
been held by U Gerllnger and asso
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Senator Telia Friends He Will Take
Rear Seat as Soon as He Can
Do So Gracefully.
WASHINGTON. July 17. (Special.)
Senator Dixon of Montana toll
friends here this week that he was go
ing to take a rear seat in the Roose
velt part movement as soon as he
could do so gracefully. Mr. Dixon Is
not in sympathy with the third party
programme. He would rather fight in
side the Republican lines and capture
the machinery of the regular organiza
tion, but was led away by the en
thusiasm of the Bull Moose.
Dixon gave the Taft people a great
fight in the pre-convention campaign
by rounding up more delegates than
anybody ever dreamed Colonel Roose
velt would get. By practical and at
times strenuous efforts, he took states
that naturally belonged to Mr. Taft.
He has been the man at the wheel
from the beginning of the Roosevelt
campaign. His aggressive methods
Kept Representative McKmley. direct
or of the Taft campaign, guessing.
At Chicago the Senator was never In
sympathy with Roosevelt's purpose to
bolt the Republican party. He wanted
to remain with the old party and he
almost quit the Roosevelt movement
there.
FOREST PATROL TO START
Force of 60 Men Will Be Distributed i
In Timbered Sections. .,
SALEM. Or July 17. tspecial.l
Word was received by State Forester
Elliott today from, the Department of
Agriculture that the 110.000 allotted to
Oregon through a contract signed after
the passage of the Weeks bill Is avail
able. The State Forester today sent out
orders to the SO Federal men, who will
be provided under the terms of the
contract, immediately to start their
patrol work.
Eight of these will be east or ine
Cascade Mountains and the other 6
In the timbered counties west of the
mountains.
The Weeks bill was passed fo,r the
purpose of protecting the headwaters
of navigable streams in the various
states of the Union where timbered
watersheds mark the headwaters of
such streams.
State Forester Elliott will leave to
morrow in his automobile for an auto
trip to practically every timbered sec
tion of the state. His itinerary will
take him through Linn and Lane and
Douglas counties and as far south as
.Med ford, from whence ne win go io
Crater Lake, through Klamath. Crook,
Grant, Wheeler, Baker. Wallowa and
Union counties. He Intends to visit all
of the patrolmen, supervising wardens
and timbermen In these sections ana
perfect the fire-fighting organizations
of the state.
WEDDING ISAT Y. M. C. A.
Theoflel Serr, of Portland, Has Knot
Tied by Los Angeles Director.
LOS ANGELES. July 17. (Special.)
Weddings at the Y. M. C. A. are not
numerous, so when Theoflel Serr, aged
21 years, and Reglna M. Marshall. 18,
both of Portland, appeared at the asso
ciation building this morning to have
the -nuptial knot tied, there was
straining of necks to get a glimpse at
the fair bride. Kev. E. H. Emmett,
director of religious work at the Y. M.
C. A., married the couple.
"We were strangers in Los Angeles
and aa I was a member of the Y. M.
C. A., we thought we might Just as
well go there to be married," explained
the bridegroom.
Mrs. Henry Serr, 556 Rodney avenue.
mother of Theoflel Serr, was aston
ished to learn' of her son's wedding
last night. Mrs. Serr said she knew
nothing of the bride and did not even
know her son was in Los Angeles.
PORTERS INSPECT RAILWAY
Contractors of Eugene-Coos Bay
Line Travel by Auto.
EUGENE. Or, July 17. (Special.) R.
M. Porter and J. Johnson Porter, of
Porter Brothers, contractors for a por
tion of the Eugene-Coos Bay line, ac
companied by C. C. Tinkler, Dan Brun
and Frederick Porter, left early this
morning for the coast In their own au
tomobile. They have Kept tneir reser
vations at the local hotel and are ex-
oected back tomorrow night.
Mr. Brun is connected wnn ine nae-
water Lumber Company, In which the
Porters are also interested, and the trip
may also have connection with the con
structlon of a mill at Florence. How
ever. It is believed here the railroad
survey is the principal cause of the
trip..
WILSON P. I.'S SOLE OWNER
Former Senator Buys Minority In
terest Formerly Held by Chapln.
SEATTLE. July 17. (Special.) Ex-
Senator John L. Wilson is now sole
owner of the Post-Intelligencer, hav-
ng purchased the minority interest of
William Wallace Chapln. who resigns
as general manager.
It had been reported that the paper
was sold to Clark M. Nettleton, for
merly Its city editor, but this -is de
nied by Mr. Wilson.
COLONEL ABANDONS TRIP
Presence In or Xcar Xew York Con
sidered Necessary by Advisers.
OYSTER BAY. N. Y.. July 17. Colo-
nl Roosevelt 'has abandoned his pro
jected trip to the Middle West. He
made this announcement tonight after
conference with several advisers.
His presence In New York or nearby
cities was deemed advisable at this
time, it was said.
Portland Is Heap Big
Noise at Potlatch.
CROWDS CHEER NIFTY ORDER
General Finzer and Senator
Joseph "Rag" on Street.
PARADE SHOWING SK00KUM
Delegation of 90, Well Drilled and
Smartly Uniformed Show Throng
. a Thing or Two Royal
Reception Is Accorded.
BY W. H. WARREN.
SEATTLE, July 17. (Special.)
Well, Portland made the biggest hit
of the show. .
They admit it everyone admits it.
Porf'-vo ft d the niftiest division in
is"l u .rade: Portland had the best-
drilled team of them all and Portland
certainly made them all sit up and
take notice. "We were the big noise"
all day and late Into the night.
The "boys," led by Captain of the
Guards Robert Krohn, showed them
how to do fancy evolutions, how to
"rag" in broad daylight right on the
pavements and under the eyes of the
dignified police.
The fact Is the Portland crowd had
the spirit of the Elks' big reunion with
them, backed by the great enthusiasm
engendered by their hearty reception
in Seattle, and they felt like "showing
off."
-It'm a Bear," Cnwl Shouts.
"It's a bear; It's a bear," the crowds
shouted, as Portland's Royal Rosarians'
marched through the streets, banked
by thousands of men, women and chil
dren along the line this afternoon.
"Yes," replied the Rosarians, "It's a
bear," and they grabbed pretty young
women from the sidewalks and pulled
off side-splitting stunts, to the great
delight of the onlookers.
It was a "scream" from the time the
parade started from Fourth and Bat
tery streets, until it dispersed an hour
later. It was hot. but the Portland
ers were determined to make good,
and they did.
The Royal Rosarians, consisting of
90 uniformed marchers, followed by
several automobiles, were cheered ev
erywhere. Seattle people were glad
that Portland showed such Interest in
the Potlach and lost no opportunity
to show it. They cheered and cheered
and smiled their best and made ample
demonstration to indicate their grati
tude at the swell turnout the Rose
City had.
Captain of the Guard Krohn put his
men through all sorts of evolutions.
Crown Prince Bristol, who has made
himself a favorite by his genial man
ner and his ready wit on all occasions
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Friend Says He .Is . Nervous Over
Ordeal, but Believes Voice
Is as Fine as Ever.
NEW YORK, July 17. (Special.)
Jean de Reszke, the famous tenor, who
retired from the operatic stags 12 years
ago, is to sing again in this country.
Andreas Dlppel has engaged him for 20
appearances next Winter. De Reszke
also expressed a- wish that he might
sing once more at the Metropolitan
Operahouse. Alexander Lambert, the
pianist, who Is a great friend of Jean
de Reszke, has Just arrived in New
York. He said he had seen De Reszke
several times In Paris.
' "Jean told me his voice was never in
better condition," said. Lambert today.
"He says he is naturally extremely
nervous over the prospect of returning
to the stage after 12 years of retire
ment, but he is sure his voice is as fine
as ever."
De Reszke. who has never yet been
heard as Siegmund in "Die Walkuere,
will sing that part for the first time
next Winter with Mr. Dippel's company.
EUGENE-COOS BAY WORK ON
Construction Camps to Be Estab
lished Within Week.
Eugene, Or., July 17. (Special.) Es
tablishing construction camps between
Not! tunnel, 23 miles west 'of Eugene,
and Acme, on the coast, will be begun
within a week, according to Johnson
Porter, of the firm of Porter Brothers,
contractors for the Notl-Gardlner sec
tion of the Eugene-Coos Bay line. Mr.
Porter, his brother. R..B. Porter, and C.
T. Tinkler returned tonight from a two
days' trip to the coast, going over the
line of survey west of Notl. where Two
hy Brothers have work well along on a
2300-foot tunnel.
The trip was for the purdose of se
lecting the portions of the work that
are to be begun first, and for the selec
tion of locations for the construction
camps. Mr, Porter would not venture
to say how man ymen will be put to
work, saying that he had not had op
portunity to talk with the BUb-con-tractors.
hTe greater portion of the
work is to be sublet. Construction ma
terial Is to1 be taken in by way of the
Siuslaw and also overland from Eugene.
THROWN BABE UNINJURED
Hysterical Mother, Riding Behind
Excited Team Gives Child Fling.
COTTAGE GROVE, Or., July 17.--
(Speclal.) A little tot thrown out of
the buggy, by Its excited mother .in a
runaway accident yesteraay escapes
without injury. The babe belonged to
Mrs. C. H. Fuller, who, with the baby
and older daughter, was In a vehicle
with Mrs. Joe Snyder and daughter.
Approaching the Southern Pacific
crossing at the depot, the horses be
came frightened by a freight train
which was doing some switching.
The animals became fractious and
turned around snort, badly exciting
the occupants of the buggy. Miss For
rest Snyder Immediately Jumped out,
stumbling, spraining her wrist, bruis
ing her face and became hysterical.
In the excitement Mrs. Fuller threw
out the baby, but a later examination
showed that it escaped almost with
out injury.
"YOU NAUGHTY, MEDDLESOME BOY."
O'Gorman Says Roads
Inspired Protest.
FOREIGN OFFICE INFLUENCED
Strong Sentiment for
Tolls Is Developed.
Free
TREATY TERMS DEBATED
Lodge Holds United States Is Not
Bound to Accord Privileges to
Foreign Ships That Are Re
served to Americans.
WASHINGTON. July if. Senator
O'Gorman, of New York, charged today
in the Senate that railroad influence
was behind Great Britain's protest
against the Panama Canal bill and he
Joined with Senator Lodge In declar
ing that the United States possessed
full -rights under the British treaty to
give free passage to ships of American
register. - These two speeches marked
the debate in the Senate on the Pana
ma Canal bill.
Both Mr. Lodge and Mr. O'Gorman
declared this Nation was not bound by
the Hay-Pauncefote treaty to give for
eign ships all the privileges granted
American ships. Mr. Lodge favored a
bill to rebate the tolls to American
ships, while Senator O'Gorman said the
United States possessed the full right
to give American vessels free passage
If desired. Senator Lodge contended
that if the case went to The- Hague
court the United States probably would
lose.
Support of Free Tolln Emphatic.
The support today for the provision
giving free passage to American ships.
against which Great Britain has pro
tested, was the ' most empnatic since
the Senate began consideration of the
bill.
Mr. O'Gorman. Mr. Cummins and
others said that If the United States
hav) to construe the treaty literally in
giving . the ships of all nations equal
treatment, it would, by the terms otthe
treaty, be prevented rrom proittuus
the canal in case of war. . .
If a JaDanese fleet entered the
western end of the canal," said Sena
tor Reed, "bent upon passing tnrougn
to attack the City of New York, the
United States would have no right, un
der such a construction of the treaty,
to take any steps against it."
Canal Neutral In War.
Senator Burton, of Ohio, who made
the first speech Monday in support of
the British theory that the United
States can give no special privileges to
its own vessels, declared war would
suspend operation of the treaty. Sen
ator McCumber, however, in a speech
today against the free provision, con
ceded that it was his belief the cansl
would have to remain neutral even in
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t
Contracts With Miners in Wyoming
v and Montana Expire September
1 Wage Increase Asked.
SPOKANE, Wash..- July 17. (Spe
cial.) Spokane is on the verge of
general Increase in ' fuel prices.
An advance of 50 cents per ton in
the price of coal will become effective
on or before September 1; wood prices
will go to 60 cents beyond present
figures at least within 40 days and
are expected to soar still higher before
the opening of the Winter season, ac
cording to Information secured from
a number of the local dealers.
Contracts with the miners In the
Wyoming and Montana mines, from
which. Spokane draws a large portion
of its coal supply, will expire on Sep
tember 1, after having been in effect
for the last five years, and demands
for a general Increase in wages are
anticipated by the operators.
Fir and tamarack Is now selling at
from $5.75 and 16 per cord in four
foot lengths, and, according to beliefs
expressed by the Spokane dealers, the
minimum price will be about 26. 25,
within the next two months.
TAFT PREPARES ANSWER
Statement Refutes Charges
Nomination Was Stolen.
That
WASHINGTON, July 17. The de
tailed answer which President Taft'
advisers will make to charges that hi
nomination at Chicago was procured in
illegal fashion was one of the first
subjects that greeted Carmi A. Thomp
son, of Ohio, when he assumed today
the post of Secretary to the President.
Mr. Thompson discussed the answer
with ex-United States Senator Dick, of
Ohio, who had charge of the Taft con
tests before the Republican National
committee.
The statement reviews every contest
and is longer than any Presidential
message. At the conclusion of today1
conference, however, it was said that
a comprehensive abstract would be
drafted. It is the idea of Republican
leaders to arm Taft speakers with all
the facts In every contest. The ab
stract probably will be made publle
through the newspapers and that and
the full answer probably will be pub
llshed in pamphlet form.
MORTON 'BACHES' NO MORE
Portland Attorney Weds Daughter of
Major Lee Morehouse.
The Oregon state tennis tournament
has been springing surprises on the
Portland followers of the game in more
ways than pne, one of the "more ways
occurring yesterday atternoon when
Oliver P. Morton stepped on the scene
and introduced to his many friends
Mrs. Oliver P. Morton. . Morton hag
long been one of Portland's popular
bachelors. He is 38 years old. '
Sunday he left Portland without
telling even his closest friends where
to or why he was bound. The wedding
occurred at Pendleton Sunday and was
a simple affair.
Mrs. Morton was Mrs. Augusta Moule
before her marriage, and is the daugh
ter of Major Lee Morehouse, of Pen
dleton, and a merryber of one of the
best-known pioneer families in the
state.
CANDIDATES FILE SLOWLY
Since July 1C Only 18 of 80 Give
Notice at Olympia.
OLYMPIA, July 17. (Special.) De
clarations of candidacy were filed yes
terday with I. M. Howell, Secretary of
State, by the following: Edward
Meath, of Tacoma, Republican, for
Treasurer; W. L. La'FoIlette, of Pull
man, Republican, for Representative in
Congress in the Third District; Jose
phlne Preston Walla Walla, Republl
can, for Superintendent of Public In
struction: Dr. F. A. Harlow, of Bremer
ton. Republican, for Twenty-third Sen
atorial District, and B. L. Hubbell, of
Kelso, non-partisan, for Judge of Cow
lltz. Klickitat and Skamania counties.
Candidates are slow in filing. Pre
vious announcements indicated that
ore than 80 would file for state offices.
aside from the Joint senatorial and
Judicial districts, but since July 12,
when the time lor nung openea, oniy
18 candidates have filed their declara
tions, including those filed today.
NATIONS ACT IN HARMONY
Britain Sure of American Support In
"American Congo."
LONDON. July 17. Francis Dyke
Acland, parliamentary under secretary
for foreign affairs, in reply to ques
tions in the House of Commons today
on the subject of the atrocities In con
nection with the collection of rubber In
the Putulmayo district of Peru, said
the Brithlsh government throughout
had been in close communication with
the United States Government.
He assured the House that whenever
American sympathy and support would
be helpful they would be readily forth
coming. ORANGEMEN OPEN COUNCIL
Members Assured 100,000 In Amer
ica Will Stand by Men of Ulster.
GLASGOW. July 17 The triennial
conference of the Imperial Grand
Orange Council of the World opened
here today.
Andrew Weir, a New York delegate.
assured the assemblage that there
were 100,000 stalwart Orangemen in
America who were ready to stand be
hind the. man of Ulster, foot to-foot,
and financially in order to wipe out
the home rule enemy. . ..
Older Says Labor and
Capital Agreed.
J. J.' SCHEDULED TO ESCAPE
That Part of Deal Blocked by
Prosecutor Fredericks.
GUILT OF BOTH ASSUMED
Darrow Defense Secures Admission
of Testimony Concerning Mc
Namara Trial to Prove Lack
of Bribery Motive.
LOS ANGELES, July 17. The orig
Inal agreement between representative
of capital and labor In Los Angeles
by which the McNamara case was tc
be ended forever, was disclosed in de
tail by Fremont Older, editor of the
San Francisco Bulletin, who took the
stand today for the defense In the
bribery triat of Clarence S. Darraw.
The introduction of this testimony was
permitted by Judge Hutton on the
showing of the defense that it would
prove a lack of motive on the part of
Darrow for the bribing of Juror Lock
wood, but the ruling was made only
after the greater part of the day's ses
sion had been consumed by lengthy
and technical arguments.
The original agreement, as outlined
by Older, contemplated the pleading of
guilty by James B. McNamara and the
fixing of his punishment at life Im
prisonment. For this the prosecution
not only was to dismiss all other cases
growing out of the dynamiting of the
Los Angeles Times building. Including
that of John J. McNamara, but to de
stroy all evidence then In possession
of the prosecution. Another clause In
the agreement was to the effect that
representatives of Los Angeles cap
ital were to recognize the labor unions.
Fredericks Demands Both Men.
The question had arisen, said wit
ness, of the unwillingness of District
Attorney Fredericks to consent to tin
dismissal of the cnarge against John
McNamara and It had been agreed
by Mr. Darrow that if the prosecutor
Insisted upon It. "J. J. would also be
thrown to the wolves," rather than to
continue the trial.
Just before adjournment, Juror
Williams asked the witness:
Did you know at that time that
the McNamaras were guilty?"
Well, I had no definite or legal
knowledge that they were, but I . as
sumed so," was the reply.
Here Juror Leavitt broke in.
"What did you mean by throwing
J. J. to the wolves?" asked the juror.
'Did you recommend that one go free
and the other be punished, knowing
both were guilty?"
Poller of Mercy Urged.
The witness explained his attitude by
saying that he did not believe In the
doctrine of "an eye for an eye, and a
tooth for a tooth." He thought that
Justice could be done without taking
any more human life.
Summoned to Los Angeles by a tele
gram from Darrow and a magazine
writer, Mr, Older said, upon his ar
rival here on November 23 last year
he was apprised of . the plans for a
truce between labor and capital.
At a subsequent conference with Dar
row present, the witness said, a mem
orandum of the agreement was shows
to him.
There was a hitch in the plan, ac
cording to Older, and Harry Chandler,
son-in-law of General H. G. Otis,
owner of the Los Angeles Times, went
to District Attorney Fredericks to gain
Fredericks' consent to the agreement
After this conference Mr. Darrow in
formed Older that Fredericks would not
agree to any plan by which J. J, Mc
Namara could escape punishment.
Darrow Examine Witness.
"I contended," continued the witness.
whose examination was conducted by
the defendant himself, "that Mr. Dar
row would be misunderstood by labor
if he agreed to the proposition."
What was my attitude?" asked Dar
row.
Well, you declared that you were
employed to save the lives of these
men and that this personal issue should
not be raised."
The witness said that at this time
he was told nothing had -been said tc
the McNamara brothers about the pro
posed agreement.
Mr. Darrow asked the prosecution tc
produce Bert H. Franklin and John R.
Harrington tomorrow morning, but he
did not disclose his reasons for desir
ing the presence of the state's princi
pal witnesses.
CREDIT LIST CUT ONE-HALF
Hlffh School Commissioners Act or
Study Courses.
SPOKANE, July 17. The State Board
of High School Commissioners, in ses
sion here, determined today to cut In
half the list of subjects necessary to
grad'uatlon In the country high schools
and those of the smaller towns.
Whereas 32 credits have been neces
sary to graduation heretofore, 16 now
will be required in the smaller schools.
This decision will not affect the high
schools of Spokane, Seattle or Tacoma.