Morning Oregonian. (Portland, Or.) 1861-1937, December 15, 1911, Page 10, Image 10

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    10 THE MOiaiXO OnECOXIAN,. ntlDAY. DECEjihish. 13. 1911.
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EVll QUITS BALL
MEETING III HUFF
designation From Arbitration
; Board Breeds Talk of
1 "Outlaw" Move.
FARR ELL'S ACT AROUSES
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GEO UP Or LINCOLN HIGH STARS WHO PLAY FOR STATE
CHAMPIONSHIP TOMORROW.
RfprrntatWe of Pacific Coast
LmU Anfrrrd by Declaration
of National Secretary to
Aid In Demand.
NEW TORK. Pee. 14 F-rause J. H.
Farrell. secretary of the National A
oclatloa of Profnaslc nal Bas-b.ill Clubs
refusal to Join htm In prwatiDK to the
National Commlulon the demands of
th thrM big minor leasrae. J. Cal Ew
ing, of San Francisco, representing tha
Pacific Coast Leaaue.- resigned from
tha board of arbitration of the asso
ciation today.
Tb rupture, occasioned considerable
nrprts aroona baseball men here who
wondered tf Swing's action presaged
tha withdrawal of the Coast League
from the National Association.
It appears that Just before Ban John,
on left for the West yesterday, he and
Chairman Herrmann, of the ?tlonI
Commission, met to consider Informally
the new elasslncation and rating of the
new International Leaaue. the Pacific
Coast League and American Assocl
atlon.
It ts aald Secretary Farrell excused
himself from appearlnc before the com.
mission on the irround that he could
not leave the work of the board. John
on and Hermann therefore could not
take up the matter and they postponed
It until next week, when the commie
slon will meet la Cincinnati. Kwln
waa much disappointed over this ac
tion and tendered his reels-nation to
the Arbitration Board.
BAY CITT JIKARS WAR TALK
Sentiment In San tVancisco la That
rwln Will Ie Backed to Limit."
PAN FRANCISCO. Dec. 14. Special.)
Tha unexpected action of tbe major
league maa-nates In at this time refus
ing to take up the question of AA
classification for the International and
Pacific Coast Leagues and tha Amer
ican Association, coupled with the res
ignation of J. Cal Swing today from
membership on the National board of
arbitration, haa set the country agog
with talk over the possibility of the
Pacific Coast League turning "out
law" or Independent In case the right
at thla organisation are not protected.
Cal Ewlnr. who la In New York, baa
not hinted at any such drastic measure,
even though he felt himself obliged to
resign, and directors of the Coast
League were Interviewed on the aubject
tonight and deprecated the suggestion
that It would become necessary to
break away from organised basabalL
. At the same time there seems to be
an Inclination without a complete un
derstanding of condttlona In New Tork
on the part of the directors here to
back Eln up to the limit, and It Is
quite within the posalbllltlea that.
ahoulJ be recommend uraallo action, ha
would have plenty of support from tha
other club fwnera.
. This, at least, was the thought ex
pressed by Frank M Ih. president of
the San Francisco Club. Ish. although
he chose hi words cirefully. let It be
understood that If It should become
necessary tha Coast league would be
fully able to look after Ita own In
te rests.
For the most part, the Coaster who
are at home scout the Idea that such a
Rep will be at all necessary and prac
tically all of them say that condition
.must be eevere. Indeed. If there Is to
be any such action taken.
1 J. H. Farrell. secretary of tha Na
tional Association. I severely cen
sured for hi failure to stand back of
Ewtng. or. at least, to appear before
the National Commission, particularly
rfnee Ewlng haa spent many weeka In
the East to bring about the new state
of affairs.
On the part of some directors It la
thought that Farrell may have been
"pulled" down" by some of the higher
tip In baseball, the theory being that
the National and American league
may not have desired to grant the
higher classification, but at the same
time did not wish to appear aa against
the move.
In fact, while all of the California di
rector declare they are not acquainted
with the Ins and outa of the case, they
Intimate that It I a case of certain
baseball politician In tha East pulling
against Ewlng. with, doubtless, all of
the minor leaguea with the exception
of three named, working In unison.
Allan T. Baum. president of the Coast
League give the. best account of con
ditions aa thoy exist, and at tha same
time declare that ha does not think
there Is the slightest chance for tha
Coast Leagua to quit organised base
ball.
"At the San Antonio meeting." aald
President Baum. "Ewlng. representing
our league, Stein for the Eastern Inter
national League, and Chlvlnaton for
the American Association, made the
fight. The National Association In
structed Its National Board of Arbitra
tion to act as the committee from tbe
minor leagues to present tha petition
for higher classification.
"From what I have read. It looks aa
If at tha last moment Farrell, who Is
chairman of the National board of ar
bitration, turned Ewlng down and left
him to make the fight alone, together
with the other two league representa
tives. I Judge that Ewtng decided ha
might aa well make the fight for high
er classification on his own hook and
therefore withdrew from the National
board. I know that ha doe not want
to turn outlaw, except the provocation
Is great, and I do not believe that
provocation exists. 1 believe that the
three big mtnor leaguea will go before
the commission on their own account
and that they will win out. although,
the delay 1 naturally disappointing."
Frank M. Ish. president of the San
Francisco club, said:
"The Coast League will back Ewlng
up on any proposition within reason.
At this time. I do not believe that .there
It a chance for the Coast League to
tpra outlaw. I am fully In touch with
the situation, but I assume that Cal haa
rrohably resigned, as a protest against
existing condttlona. I know that after'
the San Antonio meetings Ewlng. Chl
vington and Stein were to meet with
tke National Commission. The matter
was postponed so frequently that It Is
likely Ewlng thought certain Influences
were working against him. Also, he
probably thought he was not baek-d up.
Those fellows In the Esst are hard to
dp business with, as they are all led by
ore man.
I "I never heard Ewlng Intimate that
he believed In turning to Independent
baseball, although under certain condi
tion that might be necessary. Cer
tainly. If they don't like our stylo w
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ran run our business and I think wa
are In a position to do It successfully."
Ed Walters, Oakland club, doe not
look for any serious difficulty
"I hardly think that the provocation
la sufficient." he aald. "to Justify even
the thought of turning to outlaw base
bsJL From what I know of our league,
we prefer to stay In organised ball. I
don't know much about this contro
versy, but the matter would have to
be severe for me to rota to cut loos
from the association. Reading be
tween Ine lines. It looks to me aa If
the big moguls bad pulled Farrell
down. I have considered the advisa
bility of higher classification very
problematical all along. In my es
timation, it would have been far bet
ter to change the rules and not the
class of the league. Of course. I am
with the Coast League, but until we
know more of this breach. I am not In
a position to talk."
IXS ANGELES XOT WORRIED
Talk of Coast Leafu Going. Outlaw
Makes Berry Laugh.
LOS ANOELES. Dec. 14. (Special.)
"That makea me laugh.1 said Henry
Berry tonight, when asked whether
there 1 a likelihood of tha Coast
League going Into tbe outlaw ranks as
a result of Cal Ewlng'a resignation as
a member of the National board of ar
bitration. "Of course I do not know why Ewtng
resigned, but I will say that hla resig
nation will not hare anything to do
with organised baseball. Tha Coast
League la absolutely In favor of organ
ised ball and I do not know of any
thing that would change .
"Ewlng went to the National Com
mission meeting as a representative of
the minor leaguea and I auppo he re
asoned because Farrell would not meet
with him. I presume he wa dlsgust
with the wav those fellow stalled
around. Take It from me. tnougn. me i
Coast League will always b regular.
Kather than become an outlaw we
would disband the leagua and give up
the port. I believe the men behind
It and the fane who aupport It all feel
the same way."
i.nr fJomn. of the ernon team.
made practically the same statement.
He declared that twins prou.ui,
what he wa doing when ha quit th
chairmanship of the muomi ooira j
arbitration and expressed the beller
that In the end It will prove to tna mi
Interest of baseball all around.
OCTLAW TALK IS DEPLORED
V. W. McCredto Does Not Relieve
Coast Iafctie Will Withdraw,
-t think It much wler to await the
unfolding of the reasons for the aup-
nosed breach between J. cai r.winn
and the National board of arbitration
before making threats." aald V. W.
McCredle. when aked If he would back
up Cal Ewlng and hi friends In the
rumored Intention o th racinc Coast
League to eever connection with the
National Association of Professional
Baseball League.
-Personally I do not oeneve mat tne
dispute between Ewlng and Tan-ell I
of a serious nature. Ewlng, at times,
la hot headed and be frequently an
tagonises others with whom he la deal
ing In business matters. While I am
not acquainted with the circumstances
leadlna- to the breach between Ewlng
and Farrell. I am Inclined to think that
Ewlng waa too Impatient. A tor tne
talk of going outlaw. I do not favor It
at all. though ty mia i ao not mean
that I would break from the Pacino
Coast League In the event that tha or
ganisation should Tote to oecome inde
pendent.
"The Pacinc losii ieague naa oeeu
enjoying a aeries, of most successful
baseball years while affiliated with tha
National Association and. while It I
also quite capable of doing aa well aa
an outlaw league, ao-called. I do not
favor the change unless there Is a
grave reason for ao doing. If Ewlng'a
dispute Is over the new classification of
the league, 1 cannot see mat tne now
rating will benefit the organisation
enough to warrant us going outlaw In
tha event that th Class AA la not rat
ified by the National Commission. About
the only benefit tb Clasa AA glvea us
la a chance to pay out more money for
the drafting of players from the leaser
leagues. 1 do not believe the Pacific
Coast League will go outlaw any more
than will the National or American
leaguea because of the dispute In which
the organizations are now engaged."
MVKPIIY O" ABLE TO ACCEPT
Business Prevents Him Acting- as
Hant Clnb President.
The presidency of the Portland Hunt
Club Is still uncertain. Chester O. Mur
phy, who was elected to the place Is
unable to accept on account of pres
sure of business. The board will meet
within a few days to fill tha vacancy.
"When they asked me to hold the
post." ald Mr. Murphy. "I told them
that I should be unable to do so, but
evidently they did not treat my reply
serious, for I received a notice of
my election some day later. Need
less to say, I appreciate the honor very
much, and am only too sorry that my
work compela ma to decline it."
Tomorrow afternoon at 1:10 the
member of the club will hold a closed
paper chase, to be run over the
Thanksgiving course, at tha Junction
of Siavin and Garden Home roads. The
harea will be the Missus Lawrence and
Klernan.
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FAST" TEAM COMING
Lincoln High Expects Hard Rub
With The Dalles.
GAME SET FOR SATURDAY
Local Eleven Practices Cntil After
Dark on Xew Plays and Forma
tions With Which to Bewilder
Visitor From fp River.
Assuming that the team from The
Dalles I about the strongest It will
have had to contend with this sea
son. Lincoln High' football eleven Is
making careful preparations for the
tats championship game on Multno
mah' Field tomorrow. The team prac
ticed till after dark last night under
Coach Rlnehart on new plays and for
mation. The team I in the best of physical
condition with th exception of
Thatcher, who Is laid np with a
sprained ankle. The aggregation haa
now had a much longer rest than it
usually haa between games, which has
given all a chance to recover from the
ravages of the season. Patterson has
been handicapped In kicking all season
by an Injured leg, but yesterday on
Multnomah Field his kicking was ex
cellent and ha will be a factor In Sat
urday's game.
Tyson, who also bad a poor foot
most of the season, also professes to
be In the best condition he has yet
enjoyed. He will undoubtedly prove a
rather bard problem for either of the
prospective conters from The Dallea to
handle, both of them weighing less
than ISO pounds. Tyson weighs 170
or more and Is well over six feet, while
th men that will oppose him are hard
ly five feet eight inches.
Lincoln will have one of Its old team
mates on the opponent's side. Hollls
Huntington, who plays fullback for
Tha Dallea. played with Lincoln two
years ago. He Is now one of the best
ground-gainer and also the star
punter of that part of the country. His
average In the Pendleton game was 35
yards. HI longest punt waa one of Gi
yards which he made from behind hi
own goal, saving his team a touchdown.
BOXING EXHIBITION.
East bide Boys to Give Four-Round'
Boxing Exhibition Tonight. "
The East Side Business Men's Club
will take their monthly Jaunt tonight.
December IS, and will be on hand at
the food show now being held at the
place where Gipsy Smith preached, at
the corner of 19th and Washington
streets. It was learned yesterday that
the East Side Business Men's Club ex
pect fully 1000 East Slders will join
their round of pleasure.
Special features are being arranged
by the managers of the food show In
order that a good time will be had by
every one present. One of the feature
being a four-round boxing match ex
hibition between two of the handiest
boxers to be found in the athletic field
of the East Side.
Anions: the tasks Imposed in recent years
upon lht busy Krv.nl of man. electricity,
1. the acting aa an assistant in tbe opera
tion of dyeins.
BLEWETT IS SURE
Seattle Man Believes He Can
Land League Presidency.
FRARY'S SUPPORT IS ASKED
A TRULY ROYAL GIFT
Dnfrdale May Be Planning to Give
Portland and Fielder Jones the
Doable Cross Harter to Lead
Pullman 1912 Eleven.'
PT ROSCOE FAWPETT
Apparantly Bobby Blewett. a Seat
tie attorney, still Imagines he has a
chance for the presidency of the
Northwestern League, for the former
major league pitcher telegraphed
Ralph Frary. umpire, in Spokane a day
or two ago asking- his support. Frary
say Blewett claims to have tha Seat
tie and Tacoma club behind him, with
Victoria a possibility.
Blewett's efforts now would seem to
be a bit Ill-timed, unless Owner Dug
dale, of Seattle, is figuring on giving
Portland and Fielder Jonea the double
cross, and that does not seem at all
likely, aa Dug gave Jones his hearty
Indorsement while in Portland a fort
night ago.
Dugdale I the only man that can
prevent the former Chicago manager
from landing the presidency for Port
land. Spokane and Vancouver are
pledged. Blewett used to pitch for
Tacoma and Is very popular there.
Joe Harter, 20-pouno! right guard on
the Washington State College football
team for three seasons past, has been
chosen captain of the 1913 squad. Full
back Coulter tied with Harter In -the
vote, but an, adjustment was finally
reached in an agreement to vote
Coulter the honor one year hence.
Electing captains two years ahead is
decidedly new.
Harter Is a son of Martin Harter. a
pioneer resident of Colfax. He Is not
related to George Harter, the tall Pull
man center, whose home Is In We-
natchee.
Four Northwestern conference col
leges have now chosen heads Walker
at Oregon. Otto Sltton at the Oregon
Agricultural College. Nile at Whit
man College and Harter at Pullman.
...
John Berg, well-known light heavy
weight wrestler, who Is In Portland
seeking a match with Demetral, the
Chicago Greek, had received no answer
to his latest challenge up to a late
hour last night. Berg filled In the
time by choosing all-star wrestling
team from the United States and from
Europe. The Spokane grappler's
favorites with weights are as follows:
T'ntted Ftstes. I Europesn.
Frank Onlch 1:10) . . .iTousouf M&hmout
Jess Westergaard (212)
(21T) Jess Pederson. . .(240)
Joe Rorers (270Vgtanlslaus Zbys-
Kld Cutler 222 iko 240)
Henry Ordetnann George Hacken-
210l schmldt (212
lYou.ifT Hassan. .(IBS)
Berg places the stars In the fol
lowing world' ranking order: Frank
Ootch. Yousouf Mahmout, Jess Peder
son. Stanislaus Zbysxko, George Hack
enscbmldt, Jes Westergaard. Tousiff
Hassan, Joe Rogers, Kid Cutler, Henry
Ordemann.
"I think I am at the top of the light
heavies, that Is wrestlers not over 175
pounds," said the great Scandinavian
grappler answering the query. "Deme
tral, Amerlcua, 'Cyclone' Burns and
other claimants are not llghtheavles, at
all. - Strictly speaking, the only men
of note qualified to serve are: Fred
Beall, Charles Olson, 'Farmer" Burns,
Walter Evans, Peters and myself."
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At last the college athletic powers
that be have been heard from the
managers' meeting will be held In Port
land on December 29 to SO. At that
time football, baseball and basketball
schedules will be drafted and arrange
ments completed for the holding of a
track meet either In Portland or In Se
attle during fair time.
The San Francisco Bulletin is con
ducting a "Cross City Race" on New
Year's day, starting at the Ferry- and
finishing at the Cliff House, a distance
of seven miles.
California seeks solace in its lone
somenees. Tea, moss-covered though
the announcement, California and Stan
ford are again to make determined
efforts to heTd the University of Wash
ington Into tbe fold of English Rushy.
At least so comes the news as handed
out In Seattle by Victor Zednick.
graduate manager at Washington, who
has recently returned from a honey
moon to the land of the bunny hug
and grlxsly bear. In reality nothing
else than the Liverpool lurch and Pic
cadilly prance transposed to this side
of the Atlantic.
Zednick says he Is personally not In
favor of English Rugby but adds: '"Of
course there would be more money In
It, for Stanford and California each
drew down 119.000 as a result of the
annual game this Fall."
The Seattle official evidently figures
to use this as a sledge should the other
conference colleges attempt to sit on
him at the coming conference.
"Overcoat" Brown Is the newest so
briquet added to the curious collec
tion of handles picked up for the edi
fication of the boxing fan. The
"overcoated" Individual Is none other
than "Knockout" Brown, the Chicago
Greek who Is to meet Frltx Holland at
Oakland on December 20.
Brown. It appears, drifted Into San
Francisco on Tuesday In time to be in
troduced to fight fans at Dreamland
rink. But his was a barren reception,
for he had not been In the rlncr a
moment before the gallery gods dis
covered that the be-coated foreigner
stalking back and forth before them
had a bad case of Inflated knob.
"Where's the hook?" yelled one fan.
"What brand of overcoat are you ad
vertising?" shrieked a second and
when that failed to feaze him. a gal
lery Chetjterfleldian called for the
hook. With that Brown slunk out of
the ring, the toy balloon effect in the
bead having been severely punctured.
Whether or not the "overcoat" ap
pendage sticks matters little, but some
thing should be done to eliminate one
of the Brown boxers from the "Knock
out" ranks. The Chicago "Knockout"
Brown Is a middleweight. while the
New Yorker la a lightweight.
CLCBS BID FOR HAL CHASE
Washington Would Trade Walter
Johnson for Highlander.
NEW YORK. Dec. 14. There has
been a big demand among the baseball
magnates here for Hal Chase, who re
cently resigned as manager of the New
York Americans. Clark Griffith, the
Washington leader. Is said to have of
fered Walter Johnson for Chase, and
Jimmy Callahan, of the Chicago Ameri
cans, has also made a definite proposi
tion. Thus far all proposals have met with
a cool reception from the New York
leaders. Chase declares that he stepped
out of the managerial office voluntarily
and is willing to stay with the team
aa first baseman. Both he and his em
ployers say there Is no friction.
must foe a
practical all-year-round
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DICK" SMITH COACH
University of Oregon Council
Adopts Graduate System.
3 ASSISTANTS PROVIDED
Xew Football Head Has Great Rec
ord as Athlete, Having Been Cap
tain of Kleven Three Years
and Track One Season.
UNIVERSITY OP OREGON, Eugene.
Dec., 14. (special.) The University
athletic council last night voted unani
mously to establish the graduate coach
system In football at Oregon, with
Richard S. Smith as advisory head.
Three assistant coaches are to bo
chosen If the plan formulated Is car
rled Into effect, one to drill the line
men, another the end men ana a, tnira
the backs.
Usually the selection of a coach Is
left to the Judgment of a special com
mitiu Knf thin vear- the council decid
ed to "grab the bull by the horas" and
end the Dresent agitation over the re-
spective coach systems. j
Smith, who is attorney oi r.8in is
now at Klamath Falls en route to San
Jose, Cel., to pass the holidays with
his mother. It Is not yet certain that
he will accept the position but his
rionH. reel confldnt that he will con- :
sent to act in advisory capacity. I
While a student here Smith was
track captain in 1900 and football lead
er In 1897, 1898, 1899. being the only
student who ever held the captaincy
three years. Later at Columbia Unl- .
veralty, New York, he won fame as an
All-American star. In 1904 he devel
oped a championship eleven at Oregon.
NHIOKM. 15 WILLING
HOWEVER, CLASS AA REQUEST
IS LETT TO LYXCH.
Many Recommendations, Sought by
Leading: Minors, Are Approved.
American's War Cry Ignored.
NEW YORK, Dee. 14. The American
League's "declaration of war was
pigeonholed for at least two months
and probably for all time by the Na
tional League today.
It was not even seriously considered.
President Lynch said at the close of
the session. None of the magnates
could decipher its purport, so they
tabled it
In the final session of the three-day
meeting the National League adopted
resolutions calling upon the states and
cities on the circuit to make ticket
scalping punishable by fine and Impris
onment and offering $100 reward for
the conviction of persons gambling on
the game. '
The organixatlon also vested Presi
dent Lynch with power to act for it in
dealing with the request of the three
DrlnciDal minor leagues the Paciflo
Coast, International and American As
sociation for higher classification.
A list of recommendations in this
connection ' was approved. Among
them were the following:
The major league clubs be not al
lowed to play in minor league terri
tory and vice versa, either before or
after the playing season; reduction of
the drafting of the season to Ave days,
beginning September 5, drafting of um
Dires: an amendment requesting major
leagues to increase the salaries of draft
ed players J50 a month over the minor
league salaries; the adoption of salary
limits by minor leagues; restriction of
plav on limits In all leagues to 125
FOOT BALL
State Championship.
The Dalles H. S.
champions of Eastern Oregon,
vs.
Lincoln H. S.
Champions of Western Oregon.
Saturday, Dec. 16, 2:30 P. AI.
Multnomah Field. Admission 50 Cta.
during the playing season and $35 dur
ing the off season; the retention of
players in the highest class league in
which they are purchased, so far as
possible; drafting prices of $2500 In
class AA. $1250 In class A $1000 in
class B. $750 In class C, and $500 in
class D; that players drafted from
class A must be offered back to class
A at the draft price before being of
fered to a higher class.
While it was recommended that Pres
ident Lynch vote for the amendments
to the National agreement, the entire
question was left In his hands and Mr.
Hermann's for action at the next meet
ing of the National commission.
Playing next year will cease on or
about October 6, a week earlier than
formerly; the season will open on or
before April 11, a resolution to this
effect being unanimously adopted.
Taylor Heads Pacific Five.
PACHIC UNIVERSITY. Forest Grove.
Ore., Dec 14. (Special.) At a meet
ing of the Pacific basketball squad John
Taylor, '12, was chosen to captain the
varsity team this season. Taylor was
manager of the quintet last year and
has been a strong man on the team for
several years. He Is a senior and busi
ness manager of the college paper. The
team will go to Newberg tomorrow to
play the first league game with Paciflo
College. With five of last year's squad
in the lineup. Pacific expects to make
a showing In the league this year.
VICT0RREC0RDS
Make pleasing gifts. Our wholesale
stock can furnish you with any num
ber. Store open tonight. Sherman.
Clay & Co Morrison at Sixth, opposite
Postoffice.
Boxing contest. Food Show, audi
torium tonight. Frankie O'Brien and
Kid Spohn.
XMAS
WORTH WHILE
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and Records 10 cents a day. We have just re
ceived a new shipment and include them all in
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This is a hornless talking machine of the very latest model portable,
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are led through the tone-arm to the tone chamber, in the base of the
cabinet, and magnified by the construction of the tone-arm and tone
chamber, so that the music is exactly the same as that from which
the original records were made, without ' cramping" or distortion.
In some instruments the tone-chamber (upon which the naturalness
of the reproduction largely depends) is left out and instead the sound
waves are projected through the working parts of the motor, losing
much of the accuracy and volume of the recorded music.
The motor is a powerful, noiseless spring motor. It plays either
10-inch or 12-inch records of any make, and can be wound while
running. Convenient adjustment of speed, which allows the operator
to obtain the best results possible from the record, is provided for.
Eilers Music House, now at Seventh and Alder.
MR
CRITICAL SMOKER
The special selection of mild
Havana Tobacco now being used
exclusively in the OPTIMO
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in the history of the brand.
A SUGGESTION
Try an Optimo, 12 l-2c size. Then try a 25c size
imported. The difference is only in the price.
HART CIGAR CO., Distributers
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