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VOL. LI NO. 13,802.
PORTLAND, OREGON, WEDNESDAY, JULY 19, 1911.
PRICE FIVE CENTS.
ILDf MILLS WIN
BIG COTTON "BULL"
SENSATIONAL BREAK IN FU
TURES BLOW TO E. G. SCALES.
SHOT FOR COUGAR
VICTIM IN BATES
FOR OFFICERS ONLY
JCDGE PRIGMORE IS HIT BY
WIRELESS MAX WOOED MISS
EX-PARTNER WHILE HINTING.
SMITH OF BOSTON AT SEA.
Railway's Plea of Pov
BUSINESS HELD PROFITABLE
Net Earnings Greater Than
Those of Other Roads.
PROMISE IS NOT IGNORED
Commerce Commission. Fixing Lum
ber Schedule, Considers Assur
ance That Competition by
Water Would lie itcU
OREGONIAN NEWS BUREAU. Wash
ington. July It. After having been
frustrated one Id Its effort to prevent
aa Increase In the freight rate on rough
green flr lumber and lath from points
in the Itlamette Valley to San Fran
cisco, the Interstate Commtroe Com
mission today fare a second opinion
prohibiting this ad ranee and requlrtrg
the Southern Pacific on September 1 to
put Into effect rate of XSO a ton from
all Willamette Valley points except
those alone; Wendllng branch, from
which latter points the rate of SX-7S la
These rates, the Commission declares,
do not apply to mills within the City
of Portland, which take a uniform rats
of 14 on all kinds of lumber.
111 road Pleads Need.
Wound Inflicted by Deputy Prose
cutor Thought Fatal Accident
Happens -Near Baker Lake.
B ELLINGH AM. Wash.. July 18. A
telegram received by the Coroner from
Concrete late today says that Judge
Robert W. Prigmore. of Seattle, was
accidentally shot and probably fatally
wounded while going Into the Interior
near Mount Baker.
The measage said that R. 1L Evans,
Judge Prlgraore'a former law partner.
who was with him on an outlnK. mis
took the Jurist for a cougar and shot
him with a high-power rifle. Borne on
a rough stretcher, the wounded Jurist
Is now somewhere on tho trail from
Baker Lake to Concrete.
Judge Prig-more was born at Eedalta,
Mo. March II. 1!S. He attended the
University of Missouri and was gradu
ated from the law school there with
the class of 1889. He returned to So
da la. where he practiced law until
lOI. when he removed to Colorado for
his health. Coming to Seattle In 1S01.
he served Ave years as Deputy Prose
cuting Attorney, resigning to enter
private practice with the firm of Hart.
Prtgmore A Evans.
When the last Legislature created
two additional Judgeships for King
County. Governor Hay appointed Prig-
more to the bench, his commission
dating from March XI of this yesr. He
(named Ada P. Hart, of Seattle. In
foj. They have two small children.
Mrs. McManigal Held
Not in Contempt.
Hondniu mbeknownst to chap- i uie tor Passengers
erone of Nabob's Daughter.
HUSBAND'S CONFESSION READ
SAN FRANCISCO. July 18. (Special.)
E. Nlvlson. wireless operator on the
steamer Sierra, has Married an heiress
in the delightful person of Miss Jose
phine Smith, daughter of a millionaire
manufacturer of Boston.
The question Is. however, what will
I I l : i - j x wnen ne neara Tne news or
IlliClllal IVIdU'llllt: HUllUUieU 10 the romantic runaway marriage with a
wireless operator whose salarv la leas
uian iioo a month?
The breaking of the news of the ro
mance, which had its beginning at sea
tne day before the steamer Sierra ar
rived at Honolulu on her last outward
trip, to the millionaire papa in Boston
will likely devolve upon the bride's
half brother, J. Bruce.
Miss Smith met Nlvlson for the first
time at a reception given on tho
steamer the night before reaching
Honolulu, bhe evinced a decided In
terest In the mechanism of the wire
less apparatus and young Nlvlson was.
of course, obliging in demonstrating its
It was a beautiful moonlight nlht
To make a long story short, he pro
posed and she accepted. The following
uy mey were married at Honolulu
unbeknown to the unsuspecting brother.
Who. With his Wife, was rhtrrln.
SANTA ROSA'S MEN ACCUSED
Private Life-Saving Devices
Are Described. '
TALK WITH BROTHER TOLD
HEARING TO BE CONTINUED
Prosecution, Dissatisfied With He-s
ing as to Woman, May Appeul.
Defense Says Decision
Charge That Slates Had Been Drink
ing: to Excess Is Reiterated.
Brother of 'Drowned Offi
cer Not to Testify.
LOS ANGELES. July 18.-Judge Bord-
well dismissed the contempt proceed
ings against Mrs. Ortle E. McManigal
today, and the defense at the same time
made public a certified copy of the evl-
the beautiful Miss Smith on a trip
LOS ANGELES. July IS. '"I was told
by officers of the Santa Rosa that they
did not use the life preservers provided
by the steamship company, which were
R. H. Evans, who went with Judge dMC hu.band. the alleged 1"" tM0"""6"1 "d to Ha" n,ada f t"le' bUt farrled pr'Vat"
M.t. . . . , I waiiau islands. I constructed of cork."
Prlgmore on the hunting trip In the I CODtMmei plotter, to the grand Jury on
Mount Baker countrr and who flm th I Mr
shot, was formerly Judge Prlgmore's I woman was summoned for having
law partner and Is now a Deputy I r,niMd to testify before the Inquisitors
Prosecuting Attorney of King County. Jnt th McNamara brothers, and the
contempt proceedings wars dismissed
without & vitnA . n i. - , . . .
a ,,-... . I -"" ... ujr ....
LA US N tAK UbA I H N FnnY torneys for the defense. Mrs. McManl
u. uowever. was not in court, having
constructed of cork."
So testified Theodore
Los Angeles, a minute
clerk in the
VISIT CIDCT IKI co vr-.- "'s Angeies, e minute cierKin
lull II no I I IV OO I CM HO I State Senate today, before Government
I Inspectors Bulger and Bolles, who were
Oregon Farmer Who. Jjeft Seattle
Half Century Ago to Pay Call.
Poor Central la Youths Ttevl
rYora Whirlpool by Neighbor.
been stricken ill whlla attending the
Defense Sees Victory.
ABERDEEN, Wash, July 18.-Siecial.l
tariy in the Fall of 1838 J. Cannon
Burke, who has been visiting' friends on
the harbor for several davs. i.r fh
CENTRAL! A, Wash Julv 18 fSoe-
When the Southern Pacific two years I claL) Four Centralla boys narrowlv
ago undertook to Increase the W1I- I escaped drownlna vestardmv vli.n t
aoieie v aijey rate from 8X10 to it I wera
- - - ,
the Commission fixed the rate at
from points oo the mala Una and
wu- e-rapeo crowning yeat.rd.y when they an .ccu.ed man. not to testify, was In-
10. ,S" ZYrl fir- . ,0. r"00' " ther fflcl... and the defense hailed The de-
11.40 wr. swimming In the Skookumchuck cion a ,,nal vIctory
SJtZrZ Cl'iJnl associate a. I
rfmge noraweii ruiea tnat the affidavit I .uwu oi aeattie. Just a
of the prosecution combatting Mrs. Mc- I ew Tl,1 "na bade him Godspeed on
Manlgal's asserted right, as the wife of ni Jurny through the unexplored V.-11-
an accuaed man. not to testify, was in- I derness south to Portland.
If you ever come back to town lust
arop in. ana you sure will be welcome."
r .--. . . ... . . i ..,w . . . . . i Mrrow ana nis associate at- I - hwuj wnen
Commission was ev.rrul. b, ,k. attracted the att.ntlo- f ki. ' prec-aenx wmcn would guard " . long nine t
tailed Stat.. Rr. r-n.. -; Robert, r.., tj .... numerous witnesses for the Mc- vauey in Oregon.
is i... k v. , I tx- k ... w . . . I Namaraa from tho danger of being sum-
. . " I mnn. lurA,, , . , i , . will Ml a IMMnm, .k..m. . n
w. . . ...d i uu jyM j jHwr w vim I - j viio ruet
expired by Its own limitation October
the Southern Pacific ii
notice or its purpose to advance the
rate to fS acain. the Comralaalon. under
authority of the act of June 18. Uio.
suspenoefl this advance, pending In
Testlgatlon. The Southern Pacific de
They. too. were tossed about help
lessly by the swirling current. Their
screams brought E. A. Patterson hur
rying up from his home near the river.
After great exertions and at the rlak
of his own life he manaa-ed ta r.-ti-
ma ooys from their nredir,n..t
fended Its advance on the ground that I r0UB Raymond and younger Ramsey I M,n,1 to nswer the Questions pro-
Its road from Portland to San Fran
cisco was poor and necessitous and ex
pensive to operate.
The Commission was unable to get
Cgures on the cost operation la Call'
fornta. bat that portion of the road
In Oregon locally known as the Oregon
4k California Railroad for Its i miles
of road and branches was discovered
to have returned net earnings per mile
or flt for the year ending June Jo.
Die. as compared with f3Jt oa the
Northwestern system, f 170 on the Mil
waukee. I2T5S oa the Burlington and
J3 on the Illinois Centra).
Excuse) Is Rejected.
The Commission believes earnings of
California end of the Southern Pa
elflc are practically the same as those
of the Orecon section of the road, and
therefore rejects the plea that South
era Pacific Is -poor and necessitous. -
The Commission also finds that the
lumber business over the Southern Pa
rifle from the Willamette Valley to San
Francisco yields handsome profits above
vor oeing unconscious when taken
I h water. It was feared that
Raymond was dead, but after an hour's
work he was finally revived and re
moved to his home.
I sound umlted for Seattle, after an ab-
s ence of S3 years.
Burks, who Is Just a plain old pros
perous farmer, has a few golden eagles
sareiy packed away for the occasion,
and from the minute he enters the
Union Station in the Puget Sound me
tropolis until the Portland express whirls
pounded to her In the grand Jury room. nJm back to his little farm in Oregon,
trial on October 11.
The Judge held that the Indictments
already filed against John J. McNamara,
the accused labor leader, and his
brother. James, were sufficient to hold
them for trial, and that, therefore, theer
m-as no necessity for forcing Mrs. Mo-
DEATH CHEATS GALLOWS
As Ho Predicted. Man iw.
Live to He Hanged.
BRAVER, Ps Jaly 18. Charlea
Hickman, who was to have been hanged
urm ioaay tor me murder or his wife.
Motile. In February. Uio, collapsed in
his ceil m the county jail during the
mam ana aied thla morning.
Hickman escaped from Jail twice
arter his conviction, and last Saturday
night attempted to take his life by
innaiing gas. He repeatedly told the
aruaras ne wouia never lire to be
Hickman was found to be 111 by
guards ir)T In the i.)i(
. ois ceiirlum, Hickman was heard to whl
which was adopted. Moreover, the I Mr-
Commission refers to the record show
ing that the Oregon A Washington
Lumber Manufacturers' Association
Prosecution Enters Protest.
W, Joseph Ford. Assistant District At
torney, entered a protest to the ruling
of the court, and announced that the
prosecution would sppeal. or at least Ilia
a new affidavit, charging Mrs. McMani
gal with contempt.
According to the tranasclpt of he
grand Jury testimony. McManigal said
be met James B. McNamara first In
December. 1908. He declared that In
November. 1910. while he and J. B. Mc
Namara were In the woods at Conover.
Wis.. J. B, McNamara told McManigal
that be had blown up the Times build
ing. McManigal said that be first knew J. B.
(Concluded fn Pa s )
there will be something doing.
VANCOUVER BANK NEAR TOP
Deposits in Postal Savings Depart
ment $200 0 Weekly.
VANCOUVER. Wash.. July 18. (Spo
ols!.) Nearly 2000 a week has been
deposited In the postal savings bank,
since It was opened June L There are
801 depositors, and the average ac
count Is about 60.
The Vancouver postal bank stands
well along towards the top of the list
of the banks established by the Post-
conducting- the Investigation of the
wreck of the vessel off Point Arguello,
The statement of Lafayette, who was
a passenger on board the vessel, con
cluded the hearing Here, and the in
spectors left tonight to resume the in
quiry in San Francisco. The witness
said he had cut a life preserver open
and found that it was made of tule.
Lafayette said that several officers
of the ahlp seemed to have been drink
lng the day before the wreck, but upon
being "pinned down." Lafayette could
say positively that only one had shown
signs of Indulgence In liquor. That one.
he said, was the third officer. The
witness thought the first officer also
had used Intoxicants.
Robert Hewson. father of the second
mate, who was drowned, was present
today, but did not testify. It had been
expected that one of his sons, E. W.
Hewson. a newspaper man of Pasadena.
would testify, but the latter sent word
that he did not care to do so.
Fires Reported Beyond Control,
SALEM, Or.. July 18. (Special.) A
report was received at the State Board
of Forestry today that forest fires are
raging on Cunts Prairie, in Douglas
County, In the portion of the county
patrolled by the Coos County Fire Patrol
Association. According to the report
received here the fires had reached a
point where they were beyond control.
Head of Great Clique of "Longs" In
Market Year Ago Drops Fortune
In Two Days' Trading.
Offer to Buy Off Pros
DISTRICT ATTORNEY DENIES
NEW YORK, July 18.-3pecial.)-Eu-
gene G. Scales, recognized a year aeo
as the brains of the most powerful "bull
clique" that ever operated in the cotton
pit, has lost between 81,500,000 and 82.000.-
000 through an unexpected collapse in
rutures, it was said in cotton circles
The SOTlHAtinnal h,a,1 n rl . -
so, or 8i.4o to ji.50, a bale, brought Proposal Indicted Man Saidl
ul mantel position up as the chief u n J n
topic of discussion in the cotton pit. He neceived Sensation.
particularly when It was noticed that a
very large commission-house, supposed
to be his chief brokers, was conspicuous
on the MlHn. c11a
This house Is supposed to have sold HhAKMVli NilT PflMP linen
- - wv,wuv uaits in wo aays oi
the October, December and January
options, or nearly the entire amount
of long cotton estimated to have been
held by the ex-cotton king. This gen
eral liquidation undermined the hold
ings of the bulls and intensified excitement.
Through various channels of infor
mation that tho ring has. Scales was
supposed to have picked up some
months ago about 200,000 bales of cot
ton on advances from 18 cents to above
Lawyers Will Continue Arguments
Against Extradition of Client
Before Governor Johnson of
MEW TRIAL JW0TI0N LOST
Court Holds Railway Can't Ese Wit-
nes Called by Plaintiff.
In denying a motion for a new trial
yesterday in the case of Gertrude F.
Forrest against the Portland Railway,
Light & Power Company Judge Morrow
held that a physician subbpenaed by
one of the litigants and not put on the
stand may not be called by the other
side. The iudtrment or 14nnn nhtainori
by Mrs. Forrest will, therefore, hold
good, unless the railway company ap
peals to the Supreme Court and obtains
an adverse decision.
Mrs. Forrest and her attorney went
to visit a Portland physician after she
had been injured. He examined her
with a view to giving evidence at the
trial of the case. In a professional
conversation with another doctor, who
was in the employ of the comDanv. the
physician consulted indicated what his
diagnosis was. The information was
communicated to Wilbur & Spencer, at
torneys ror tne company. They tried
SAN FRANCISCO, July 18. (Special.)
In the fight made against extradition
by attorneys for Louis J. Wilde, in
dicted at Portland, Or., on a charge of
embezzling 890,000 from the bankrupt
Oregon Trust & Savings Company, be-
rore Governor Johnson here today, a
statement prepared by Wilde, wherein
he charged that he was invited by a
former associate to "buy off" District
Attorney Cameron in Portland, was
read, and proved the real sensation of
Wilde himself was not present at the
hearing, but it was understood that he
would appear when wanted. However,
District Attorney Cameron, of Port
land, here in an effort to secure the
extradition of Wilde by the Governor,
was present and expressed indignation
at Wilde's statement.
Alleged Interview Told Of.
Wilde's statement purported to be an
Interview with Frank H. Stowe, of
Portland, a former associate. Stowe
was accused of saying that W. Cooper
Morris, cashier of the defunct bank,
now serving a term in the Oregon pen-
to put the. physician on the stand at ltentlary, demanded $10,000 for the pur-
the trial but Judge Morrow refused to
hear his testimony, unless the plaintiff
cnose to can mm.
When the motion for a new trial came
up yesterday the company's attornevs
contended as basis for their application
that they should have been allowed to
put the doctor on the stand. Judge
Morrow held to his original view of
BRAVE GIRL SAVES MAN
After Both Fall Down lee Crevasse,
She Goes for Aid.
Pendleton Has No Pears.
PENDLETON, Or, July 18. (Spe
cial.) The very latest of the late
Spring grain has been pinched a little
by the unusually hot weather of the
past few days. The damage, however.
is so very sugnt tnat it win cut no
figure In the monster crop now being
mills ware erected on assurance from
the Southern Pacific that its rates to San,
Francisco would fairly meet water
competition from Portland, and while
this cannot be considered a controlling
factor In determining a fair rate. In
the light of the court's decision, the
Commission holds this feature cannot
Drtswd Lumber Not Affected.
The Commtaaion points out that Its
ord-r affects only rough areen fir
T am going to meet Mollla,- and tha
last word he uttered was the name of
tne woman for whose death he waa ta
have been banged.
NEW COMET BEING TRACED
Yerke) Observer Bmju Visitor Is No!
CHICAGO. July 18. Nlghtlr observe.
tlona of the latest -celestial tramn-
known as Kless' comet. are belna
lumber and laths, apd that all other j ,kn he Terkes Observatory by
lumber from the Willamette Valley I Profr Edwin B. Frost and Pro
takes U.e $S rate. Lumber taktna- the rfM,or Sherburne Burnham. The new
lower rata averages 84.000 pounds per- eom0t w picked up by the observa
car. while dry and dressed lumber will ,ory at Williams Bay. Jury 8. the day
aot exceed 80.000 pounds. The Com- '"owlBK he receipt of a dispatch
mls'ton says that rousa gre-n lumber I "c" "oservatory announcing its
cannot get to market from these points
at the IS rata,
As further Justifying Its reduction,
the Commission says that the average
dlitance from Willamette Valley mills
to Fan Francisco Is (II miles and from
Portland 72 intlea.
-Our derision. If It discriminates
!her way." says the Commission. "Is
sialnst Wllllamette Valley and not
aialnst Portland mlila.-
FlINCIFLE 15 ESTABLISHED
Valley Isnbrrmea Declare Safer
Baals Is Created.
Ltmberlrg ta the Willamette Valley
ma receive considerable Impetus as the
rit of the decision, although tha rates
orl-ed by the commission are rot low
enoh to a: low the Industry la the af
fkct8 district to meet the water rats
fro n Portland to Saa FraadseoL
Roiga green lumber has been moved
from Portland to "an Francisco at tnj
rate it 84 per W feet, and the highest
price paid this year has been H!X
Tc, n-w rate will not enable the Wll-
(Oeeludea ea Fage 8)
-I doubt whether ft will be risible to
the unaided eye.- said Profeaaor Frost
today. -We will not be able to tell for
several daya It Is not a particularly
brilliant comet. It rises In the east
between 1 and 1:10 A, M."
RICH "POLICEMEN" FADE
tar recalled From Chicago's
Honor Staff of Cltlsen.
CHICAGO. July 18. Chief of Polio
Meeeoey has recalled the stars worn
oy the -million dollar" persons! stair
of the superintendent of police, num.
baring 158 members and composed of
presidents of banks, beads of corpora
tions, merchants, lawyers. Judges and
politicians. The custom of having a
personal staff composed of prominent
olUsene whose principal duty was to
wear a star has been In vogue for IS
Among those who have been saked
to surrender their stars are Lieuten
ant-Governor Ogleaby. J. Ogden Ar
mour and Edward T. Swift.
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SEATTLE. July 18. (Special.) Lost
In the heart of the Olympic Mountains,
while her young man companion lay
stricken with heart failure at the foot
of a gorge down which they had fallen,
near Mount- Elinor, Miss Blanche H.
Wenner, of 1700 Thirty -seventh ave
nue, Seattle, made a thrilling trip
through the dangerous mountain re
gion Sunday night to Lake Cushman
and organized a rescue party to hunt
for her friend at 3 o'clock yesterday
morning. Then she fell exhausted on
the floor of the hotel.
William Morris, her companion, a
native of British Columbia, was found
late yesterday afternoon, making his
way slowly back to the Summer resort.
Miss IVenner and Morris left the ho
tel Sunday to make the ascent of
Mount Elinor. Although both were
more or le6S familiar with the trail,
they lost It In making a side trip for
view that took their fancy and
slipped down an- icy gorge 300 feet
NEW GEYSER THOUGHT DUE
New Eruptions In Yellowstone Park
pose of buying off the district attor
This interview, the statement reads.
took place In San Diego, the present
home of Wilde. Wilde said in his state
ment that Stowe declared that. If Wilde
would "come through" with a certain
sum to him (Stowe), that District At
torney "Cameron can be fixed for 810.
000. and there will be no prosecution."
Wilde, according to his statement,
replied to Stowe's proposal by letter,
rejecting the offer, and concluding
with the words. "850,000 for Investiga
tion, but not 1 cent for tribute."
District Attorney Cameron, whon
asked for a statement concerning
Stowe's alleged proposal tc Wilde, said:
"The whole thing is preposterous. It
Is all Greek to me. I had never before
heard that there was any such letter
in existence, or knew that Stowe had
made any such proposal. Deny It Of
course, I deny it, up one side and down
"I don't think that I spoke to Stowe
between the time he appeared in the
Morris case and when he was before
the grand Jury in the Wilde case. 1
don't believe there is anything to it,
and I can't understand why Stowe
made any such statement.
"Tou can say for me, however, when
i return to .Portland, I am going to
have Mr. Stowe explain his actions and
Just what he meant by them."
Edward A. Luce, of counsel for Wilde,
did most of the talking against extra
dition. He charged bad faith on tho
part of District Attorney Cameron, and
asserted that the indictment was part
of a scheme to get Wilde within the
Jurisdiction of the Oregon courts, so
as to institute civil suits against him.
Moreover, feeling was said to be strong
against Wilde at Portland, endangering
the chances of a fair trial.
Wilde Ready to File Bond.
But, if the other parties would con
sent. Luce said his client would be
willing to file a 8100,000 bond for ap
pearance in tho Federal courts here in
any civil action. This bond would pro
tect the plaintiffs In such a suit.
Luce said, rather than submit tamely
to extradition, he and his associates,
Attorneys Charles Sumner, of San
Diego, and A. King Wilson, of Port
land, were willing to disclose the case
of the defense inadvance.
S. A. Reed and W. O. Poor were in
, ., 1 mo i win, icaujr lu ten oi ine oond
They may indicate, however. Increasing transactions, but whether or not they
will testify will be determined tomor
It is charged that Wilde conspired
with others to purchase bonds selling
at a discount and unload them on the
bank at par.
A large number of letters, newspa
per clippings and affidavits were read
with a view to showing that criminal
proceedings were brought because
Wilde refused to settle with coin. Most
of them were from lawyers.
Much stress was laid by the attor
neys for Wilde on the fact that Morris,
whose confession led to the indictment
is now a convict. The grand Jury's bill
was described as the work of personal
enemies, using the criminal processes
to collect a civil debt.
WASHINGTON, July 3 8. Unaccount
ed-for eruptions of large quantities of
water, steam, sand and small rocks to
a height of several hundred feet from
the hot spring in the Norris Baeln, in
Yellowstone National Park, have been
occurring this Summer.
Those familiar with the park are un
able to explain the phenomenon. They
say that as the geysers have shown no
diminution in activity, the eruptions can
not be due to a diversion of steam and
hot water from the regular outlets.
activity in the subterranean forces to
which the geysers are due; and if this Is
the case it is possible another geyser
may develop in the park.
GROCERS DISPORT TODAY
Annual Picnic to Be Held at Bonne
ville 17 Events Carded.
The grocers' annual picnic will be
held today. It will be held at Bonne
ville this year. Two trains of 16 cars
each will leave the Union Depot at
8:30 o'clock. Most of the grocers,
butchers and salesmen of the city and
their wives will attend the picnic and
many of their friends also plan to go.
The train will start on the return trip
at 6:80 o'clock.
There is some speculation among the
grocers as to who will win the prize
for selling the largest number of
tickets. Prizes of merchandise are to
be awarded winners of the 17 events
which will take place on the picnic
grounds this afternoon.
FAIR TRLUj IS PROMISED
Attorney for Receiver Says Wilde's
Contention Is "Preposterous."
A. E. Clark, attorney for Thomas C.