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VOL. XLIX.-NO. 15,244. PORTLAND, OREGON, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 6,' 1909. PRICE FIVE CENTS. TUFT MAKES TOUR FORTUNE CAUSES CLARA CLEMENS' -TO WED RUSSIAN CRANE MAY GARRY MISSIONARY NOT COOK TELLS WOMAN TO FORGIVE GUILTY OF LIBEL OF CITIES ON BAY 25 ESCAPE FIRE F INHERITS $,OpO,000 AXD EN'DS PIANIST GABRILOWITSCH-WINS HUMORIST'S DAUGHTER.- AMERICAN" IS ACQUITTED OX Sl'IT KOIl DIVORCE. COXGO CHARGES. 32 MINERS KILLED HOW waRNINCTQ CHINA 00 IS STOLEN Bids Goodbye to Troops Outward-Bound. WISHES TO GO TO PHILIPPINES Preaches Doctrine of Compro mise in Government. BANQUETS WITH 600 MEN Visits Berkeley, Oakland and San Francisco, Iay,s Cornerstone of Y. M. C. A. Building and Is Greeted by Blind. SAN FRANCISCO. Oct. 6. After upend ing the entire forenoon In the cities of Oakland and Berkeley, across the bay. President Taft was welcomed to San Francisco this afternoon by a throng that lined the walks, in some places ten deep. alons a line of march extending over three miles of the principal streets. The school children of this city, of Oakland and Berkeley gave their joyous cheers for the President and. as In most of the other cities Mr. Taft has visited on this trip, were one of the prominent features of his reception. Visiting three cities and spending three quarters of an hour on Can Francisco Bay the President had a busy day. As he was crossing from the Oakland mole to San Francisco, the army transport Thomas was setting sail for the Philip pine Inlands and by the President's re quest the revenue cutter Golden Sate, on which he was a passenger, was drawn up alongside the big vessel, whose sides were lined with soldiers and officers. Goodbje to Soldiers. On the- bridge of the transport the I hn:; Dine ' constabulary - band, which 'flayed at the President's Inauguration in tshiigton. was with him recently at Seattle and was present this morning in tn. Greek Theater at Berkeley when he " theater, was drawn up and was playing "Hail to the Chief and th. President shouted across the water to the khaki clad soldiers: "Good-bye boys, I wish ;-ou a pleasant voyage!" Answering cheers came back to the President. The propeller of the transport began to churn the water into a foam, a rippling wave spread from the bow as the vessel, gay with flags, gained head " way, and the President looked wistfully toward the Golden Gate. "Does it make you feel homesick, Mr. President?" asked Captain Butt, his aide, who himself had seen long service In the Philippines. Wishes He Were Going, Too. . "Indeed it does." replied Mr. Taft "and I would give anything if I were going with them." The President never loses an oppor tunity while on the Coast to speak a good word for the Philippines, and he Is always sure of a responsive appreel atlon. Referring to his own experiences at Manila In one of his addresses today, he said: lou never can tell what the future is going to bring out: it seemed a long way around to the White House to go out 10.000 miles into the tropics, but that Is where it landed me." The President reached the shores of San Francisco Bay early this morning with a typical fog hanging over the cities that front the harbor. Before 11 o'clock, however, the sun had found Its way through the mist clouds, and when the President reached San Francisco at 1 o'clock, the day was one of blue splendor. Berkeley had the honor of being the first city overlooking the bay to wel come the President. He was driven in an auto to the Greek Theater of the University of California, where he was greeted by Professor Bernard Moses, who had served with Mr. Taft In the Philippines. Government Is Compromise. The President made a brief address In which he declared that ideals In pop ular government were a splendid thing to cultivate, but that the man ut the helm must be content with a compro mise, must accept his responsibilities and "'play the game." whether he suc ceeded in bringing the people to follow him. or had to follow the people. From Berkeley, the President went to Oakland and made an address to an outdoor throng of several thousand.. Crossing the bay on the revenue cut ter Golden Gate, and eating luncheon during the trip, the President on his arrival In San Francisco, was taken for a three-mile carriage ride through Market. Montgomery and Kearney streets and Van Ness and Golden Gate avenues. He reviewed on Van Ness avenue nearly all the public and paro chial school children of the city. Next the President laid the cornerstone of the new Y. M. C.-A. building in this city and expresses again the Interest he always feels In the Y. M. C. A. work, lays Y. M. C. A. Cornerstone. Mr.' Taft has what he delights to refer to as his "Y. M. C. A. speech." He has laid cornerstones for this class of build ings in Shanghai, Hongkong, all through the United States and In many other parts of the worla. Mr. Taft always r (Concluded on Pace 3.) Deserted by Husband, Who Roams Country, She' Will Share For tune With Him. SAN BERNARDINO, Cal.. Oct. 5. (Special.) With the news' that she has come Into possession of about IS.000,000 of the great Anderson estate In Eng land, Mrs, Josep Linoleum, of Upland, who some time ago sued her husband for divorce, has apparently forgiven Lincieum, who is wandering somewhere in the country. When the Lincieum divorce case was called In the Superior Court today, the husband did not appear but the lawyer for Mrs. Lincieum asked that the suit be stricken from the calendar. No ex planation of this course was given. Later the lawyer said that Mrs. Lin cieum wished to share her fortune with her husband. Mrs. Lincieum is a daughter of the late Judge Anderson, of Upland. Her husband disappeared some time ago. His desertion caused Mrs. Lincieum to sue for divorce. Then came the news that the Anderson family, of which she Is a member, was heir to an English estate valued at from 180,000,000 to $100,000,000. of which about 16.000.000 'ould eventually become Mrs. Lln- cieum's share. FOUR ACCIDENTS, ONE DAY Worknfcn In Silverton Logging Camps Are Severely Injured. SILVERTON. Or., Oct. 4. (Special.) Four serious accidents In the lumber camps near Silverton today set a record for casualties. William Weinrelch. employed in the John T. Lais camp, four miles south of town, met with a broken leg when struck by the cable from a donkey .engine. Lloyd Downing, employed by the sama logger at Stayton. met with a similar accident, his leg being broken near the knee. Oscar Blakely, another employe of John T. Lais, was struck In the face with a piece of timber, hurled by the cable as It tightened about the capstan. and his nose broken. Frank Primrose, while, felling timber for the Silverton Lumber Company to day, was struck by the limb of a tree I and hurled to the ground. His left arm was shattered In three places. MEXICANS CRY FOR HELP America n Consul- ApeaJs for Food and Clothing. . X YORK. Oct. S. United Rt.tM Consul-General Kcnna at Monterey, Mex., telegraphs that the condition of the Mexican people In and about that city is much more serious than any of the printed reports thus far would seem to Indicate. His telegram says: 'We need corn, rice and beans in bags, blankerta, and clothing. Every club and charitable association in the United . States should contribute some thing toward the relief of these afflicted people. Second-hand clothing would be high!,- acceptable. "Arrangements car. be made with the railroads and express ' companies for transportation. We need a carload of ehelled corn In bags so that we may send It to towns- throughout the country on mules and burros." ' SIX HUSBANDS, NO DIVORCE Now She's Tired of Matrimony and Farmers and Men. KANSAS CITY. Oct. -5. Grace B. Chapman pleaded guilty tor a charge of bigamy in Justice Miller's court at her preliminary trial here today, admitting she had married six men without having procured a divorce from any of them. "Yes, I'm guilty," ehe testified. "I've had six husbands and I'm sick of matrl mopy. Most f the men I married were farmers. I'd live with them until I got tired of them and then -I'd leave. They were soon tired of me." , "Were you ever divorced?" "Not that I know of." Mrs. Chapman replied. 9he .was unable to furnish a bond of fcXKX) and was remanded to Jail to await trial. 800 BUFFALO MAKE ESCAPE Park 'Fence Burns and Big Game Takes to Open Prairies. CALGARY. Alberta. Oct. 5. Word was brought here today . that the Canadian buffalo park- at Wainridge. Alberta, had been destroyed by the prairie fire which has been burning lh that section for, a week. As the fire burned the fence surround ing the park, the herds of buffalo, esti mated to number S0O animals and a large herd of elk, escaped. The fires In this section have caused a financial loss that will run Into the mil lions. EDITOR. CARRIES GUN, FINED . E. Hosnier, of Silverton, Is Beset by Numerous Troubles. SILVERTON. Or., Oct- 5. (Special.) E. Hosmer, editor of the Silverton Leader, besides being defendant In a libel suit brought by Dr. Brooks, because the editor alleged that the physician at a certain time was intoxicated, was haled Into court by A. G. McMillen and fined twice on a charge of carrying concealed weapons. - . - Firedamp Shrivels Up Men at Nanaimo. AFTERDAMP CHOKE SURVIVORS T I I... as I r NdUUtJU Oy MUraerOUS UlaSeS, They Flee to New Peril. RESCUERS DRIVEN BACK Deadly Fumes and ' Blocked Gang ways Stop Work Majority Killed by After-Damp in Flight After the Explosion. LADTSMITH. B. C, OcJ. 6. As a re sult of the explosion of fire-damp in the Extension mine of the "Wellington Colliery Company near here yesterday. 32 miners lost their lives and miners iot tneir lives ana great damage was done to the mine prop erty. Up to 11 o'clock; last night 18 bodies had been recovered and 14 more were known to be entombed in the mine. Identified Bodies - Found. The dead, whose bodies have been re covered are: ' THOMAS OTOXXELL, single. ANDREW MOFFATT. married. JAMES EWART. married. ROBERT .MARSHALL, single. WILLIAM ROBERTSON", married. WILLIAM QUIN.V. single. EDWARD DUNN, single. CHARLES 8CHUFF. single. JAMES MOLYXBUX, single. HOWARD TAYLOR, single. WILLIAM DAVIDSON, single. ALEX MELOS. single. THOMAS THOMAS, single. PETER NOLAN, single. WILLIAM KESSEBICH. married. JAMES KESEERICH. single.- THOMPSON PARKIN, married. JOHN BUXLITCHl colored, married. Bodv of unidentified man. Bodies Still In Mine.- Those -identified who bodies remain in the mine: , , Wynn Steele, married. Robert White, married. . James I. Master, single. Fred Ingham, single. Alex McClellan. married. Herman Peterson, single. Herman Peterson, single Two Finns, a Croatian, names unknown, three loaders who were with Wagro, Kes serich and Bullttsch and two drivers are also missing. , Many of the victims had large fami lies. William Keaserich leaves a widow and 10 children, and Robert White, a widow and six children. , Story by Survivor. Thomas Hlslop, who was one of the last of the 700 miners and associates' who scurried from the Extension mine after the disastrous explosion, gave a most graphic account of the accident. "I was working with 16 men. Including five of the dead, on the first level when we heard the explosion," said he. "Vt? stood for a second In the darkness. The rush of air put our lamps out, until some one 'came with a safety lamp, and 15 of the IT of us, holding coat tails, hurried along, holding the lamp ahead to see the glistening of the rails. We made little (Concluded on Page a.) t. a. 7p,000 AMERICAN FRRMCRb J J . ' WILL MOVE TO CRNHOR THt j . i PRLI OREC30NRN&l5PRTCRt Nuptials Climax to Love Affair Be gun While .Foreigner Hovered Xear Death in America. - . NEW YORK, Oct. 5. (Special.) With out bridesmaids, .or. Attendants, .of. an sort and supported only by her aged father, who will give her away. Miss Clara L. Clemens, , daughter of Mark Twain, the humorist, . tomorrow will be come the bride of Ossip Gabrilowitsch f h A Rtiaalfln rvlnnfnt Tho (nr.mnnwwlll I r - take place at noon at the bride's home at Redding, Conn. A special car for the use of frlens will be attached to one of the morning trains. Mr. Gabrilowitsch, who has toured this country and Europe, is- one of the great est pianists of the day. He Is a young Russian. It was while studying music in Vienna that he met Miss Clemen; who was also studying, and of that meet ing tomorrow's ceremony .is the culmlna tion. Miss Clemens herself toured this coun try, giving muslcales, last year. Last Spring Mr. Gabrilowitsch suffered a long Illness. While he lay helpless Miss Clem n attended him continually, and to her care he attributes his recovery. TUERKE IS REAPPOINTED Spokane Mayor Returns Man to Of fice Council Ousted. SPOKANE, Wash., Oct. 5. (Special. Mayor N. S. Pratt, In a message sent to the City Council today, reappointed Cart W. Tuerke as City Commissioner to suc- cessd J. T. O'Brien, resigned. In his message the Mayor contends that Mr. Tuerke is probably the most compe tent Commissioner the city ever had; and denies at length the allegations that Mr. Tuerke delayed the work of starting the water extensions. Tuerke Is the ex-Pan Tan who exposed the Inner workings of the Pan Tans, thereby incurring the. enmity of Pan Tan Councllmen. Seven councllmen removed him last week. They may remove him again. SAMPSON JOINS RATE WAR Cuts Fares Between Coast Towns. last to Enter Strife. LOS ANGELES, Oct. 5. The last of the big steamships of the Coast, the. Admiral Sampson, of the Alaska-Pacific line, to day Joined In the rate war by" meeting the rates" on the other big steamers of $5.35 first class and $3.35 steerage to San Francisco. The Alaska-Pacific Company also put In a rate of $25.35 first class to Seattle, and $15.35 steerage. The ticket clerks were busy all today. although the rush for tickets was not as great in any of the steamship offices as It . was yesterday, because nearly all steamers are sold out a week, or more ahead. t BALLINGER COOLS MONTANA Secretary Says Government Puns Land Claimed by State. " HELENA. Mont., . Oct. 5. The State Land Board has decided to hold In abey ance the matter of forcible ejection of Federal forestry officials from the Flat head country lands until the courts rule on their right to do so. This decision follows, a ruling by Sec retary of the Interior Balllnger, received by the board today, in which he holds that the title to sections 16 and 36 in each township still vests In the Federal Government. The state claimed It under an enabling act. , ' . "HI! STOP HIM, SOMEBODY I" New Minister Is toTalk With Knox. TREATY IS FORCED BY JAPAN Foreigners Barred From Man . churia by Convention. HITCH EXPECTED IN LOAN American Capital May Be Turned Down in Building the Hankow Road Open Door Is Men- . aced by the Mikado. WASHINGTON. Oct. 5. (Special.) Important developments In the Far Eastern situation supply the reason why- Minister Charles R. Crane, en route to his post In China, has been called back from San Francisco for a further con ference with the officials of the State Department, as announced late last night. Mr. Crane had planned to sail for China today. Secretary Knox, who has been at his Summer home at Valley Forge, Pa., will be at his desk before the end of the week. It Is understood that Mr. Crane will confer with President Taft before starting East. Mr. Miller, who has been ordered from Tokio to become the new chief of the Far Eastern bureau of the state Department, and Mr. Ba ker, the present chief, will be on hand for any conferences which Secretary Knox may wish them to participate in when Minister Crane arrives here. . Open Door Menaced. . The two questions more pressing than any other with which Mr. Crane will have to deal In the near future are those In Manchuria arising out of the new treaty between Japan and China which was .wrung by Japan and conveys privileges which may be considered a menace to the open door .policy and the Hankow and Sze Cliuen raUroad loan. The latter question was supposed to have been. .Siftisfactorlly settled by n agreement under which the loan was to be distributed between American, English. French and German bankers. But. Inasmuch as it has not formally been put Into a binding agreement. there may be some hitch.. It is known that the State Department as been receiving in Installments the Japanese-Chinese treaty. The question of a formal protest in the full diplomatic sense at this late day is a serious roblem one which will require care ful consideration on the part of Sec retary Knox. Treaty Forced by Japan. From the best information obtainable Japan forced the treaty upon China. The privileges conferred, it is contended, grant the Japanese monopolies in Manchuria, which will exclude from that territory not only American, but European interests. In taking over the trade and development of Manchuria, Japan will not lightly give up the exploitation, especially as a treaty exists as warrant. Now that this Government has had an opportunity to examine closely the rights conferred. Secretary Knox may be ex pected to instruct Minister Crane to pre sent certain views to the Chinese gov- (Concluded on Page 2l) Officials Accused of Levying Op pressive Taxes Upon Natives to Be Paid in Rubber. LEOPODVILLE, Belgian-Congo, Oct. 5. Rev. W. H. Sheppard, an American missionary, was acquitted today of the charges of libel brought against him by one of the Congo concession companies, which has a monopoly of rubber gather ing In the Kasal region. Two American missionaries. W. H. Sheppard and the Rev. William Morri son, were charged with "calumnious de nunciation" and libel by the concession company. The suit was based on an article that appeared, in the Kasal Her- al(j. The charges against Mr. Morrison, however, were withdrawn. The company sought to recover $6000 from Mr. Shep pard. ' The charges made by the missionaries were that Congo officials levied upon the natives oppressive "taxes" to be paid In rubber; that whole villages, including women and children, were Impressed by the soldiers to gather the rubber: -that they often were compelled to travel many miles to the rubber forests and to sleep there for more than a week under- un sanitary conditions; that they were cruelly punished for failure to meet the taxes and that so large a proportion of time was taken for gathering those taxes that they were unable to raise crops necessary for their support. AUTO TUMBLES INTO RIVER Courier ' Carrying .Message Taft Meets Disaster. From SEATTLE. Oct. 6. The automobile carrying the Philadelphia Press courier bearing a message from President Taft to the president of the Alaska-Yukon Pacific Exposition rolled down a 30-foot embankment Into the Snoqualmle River, three miles west of North Bend, Wash., at 7 o'clock tonight. The occupants of the car were thrown Into the deep water and had to swim ashore. The machine is entirely sub merged. The occupants of the car were the courier, H. J. Kingston, of the Philadel phia Press, the driver, Hugo Dotser and O. Peterson, the mechanician. The ac cident happened while the car was going along a narrow road overhanging the Snoqualmle river. The road was very slippery from recent rains, and poor lights made it difficult for the driver to keep ,Jn the beaten, track. The party was picked up" by a passing automobile and brought into Seattle, ar riving here at 11 o'clock. This Is the second accident that has befallen a car in the Philadelphia Press transcontinen tal relay race against time. The first ac cident happened September 18, shortly after the start of the race, when a car went Into a ditch, resulting in the death of two men. DICKINSON MAY RESIGN Illness of Eldest Son, Recent Death In Family Are Reasons. WASHINGTON. Oct. 5. (Special.)- There is a strong possibility that J. M Dickinson, Secretary of War, may shortly resign from the Taft Cabinet. Serioti illness of Overton Dickinson, his eldest eon, who has Just suffered a serious at tack of heart failure, coupled with the recent death In his family, is said to prompt Mr. Dickinson to this thought Mr. Dickinson is now at Belle Mead, Tenn.. where he hastened to his sons bedside today. Nobody here assumes to speak authoritatively on the question of his resignation, but members of the Cabi net circle would not be surprised If Mr. Dickinson should make the announce ment Shortly after his return to Wash ington. President Tat s ' earnest desire to. strengthen the Republican party in the South would naturally prompt him Jo name a Southern man in Mr. Dickinson's place, but no names are yet mentioned. WOMAN IN BAD MAN ROLE After Quarrel With Bartender, She "Shoots Up" Aberdeen Saloon. ABERDEEN. Wash., Oct. 5! (Special.) Charged with assault "with deadly weapon," Orema Fowler, a woman of questionable character. Is lodged in the City Jail here after giving the proprietor of a saloon, . his bartender and several Inmates some 10 minutes of terror with a 4o-caliber revolver. The woman's quarrel was originally with the bartender, and when she sought him to' "fill him full of lead," the pro prietor refused her admittance. Exclaiming, "Well, I'd Just as soon shoot you as anybody." she blazed away at the owner, one shot passing through his clothes and the remainder playing havoc with the interior decoration. Witnesses today seemed reticent about testifying, and the Prosecuting Attorney now fears that from lack of evidence he will be unable to prove the woman guilty of anything but some minor eharge. SPAIN SEEKS PEACE ONLY Denies Change of Intentions or Big Army in Morocco. PARIS, Oct. 5. The Spanish ambassa dor denied today that Spain had changed her intentions in "Morocco. i He declared Spain was seeking only to pacify the country around Melilla and that she had but fifty thousand troops In Morocco, instead of seventy thousand. Letter to His Friend Scores Peary. STORES TRADED FOR GREED Supplies, Seized by Rival and Bartered to Natives. , DESCRIBES LONG JOURNEY Sufferings and Privations on South ward Trip Far Surpass Those) on Struggle to Gain Earth's Apex. the OTTAWA, Ont., Oct. 5. Captain Ber- nier, of the Canadian steamer Arctic, which arrived today from a cruise of the Arctic regions, made public a letter writ ten to him by Dr. Frederick A. Cook, May 23, and delivered to Captain Bernier on September 1 at Upernavik. It says: My Dear Captain: I have to write you the first letter after having been sealed behind ice barrier for two years. It was your supplies, so kindly left In charge of Mr. Whitney, which ajiied me greatly in getting to Upernavik. All my other property had been taken by Peary under the guise of a relief station. Mur phy, the man in charge of the 'station, however, was instructed not to engage In any relief efforts, not to allow Eskimos to cross and search until March of the following year, 1909. My large store ,of supplies and ' my station were used for barter with natives to satisfy Peary's commercial greed. Danger Beyond Conception. "Fortunately, we were able to work out our problem without relief efforts except as you offered. We have pushed into the boreal center and picked up the Polar prize, but the effort was dangerous be yond conception. "The splendid assistance which you have given and the liberality of the Can adian government In sending the ship Is a happy contrast to the hindrance, wind Injustice of one of my own countrymen." Describing the the Journey to the Pole, Dr. Cook says: Describes Perflous Trip. Starting from Annatook. February 19,-. 1908, we crossed Ellesmereland, pushed along Its western coast to the Polar Sea, (Concluded on Page 2.) INDEX OF TODAY'S NEWS Thf Weather. YESTERDAY'S Maximum temperature. 59. 4 decrees; minimum, SO degrees. TODAY' S--Rain; south to west winds. Foreign. Mix. American, stands good chance of win ning Bennett balloon cup. Page 5. American missionary acquitted of libeling Congo rubber trust. Page 1. National. Taft visits bay cities and speaks In favot of ship subsidy and on popular govern ment. Pane 1. Concessions from China by Japan caused recall of Minister Crane. Page 1. Monetary commission's plan for establish lng central bank, page 4. IomeMlc. W'lhur WrlRht wilt give no more airship flights, but begin manufacturing ma chines. Page 0. Burlington will cut time to Portland and meet St. Paul competition. Page 2. Appeal Court affirms sentence on John R. Walsh, and he appeals to Supreme Court. Pa Re 3. Woman falls heir to fortune and withdraw! divorce suit to share it with husband. Page 1. Romantic courtship of Mark Twain's daugh ter. Page 1. r Sharp earthquake In Utah and Idaho. Page 0. Rela.ive of girl 'murdered by Willie Boy sra.-ts in pursuit to avenge ner. Page . Minneapolis & St. Louis surveying for ex tension Lo Coast. Page 3. TraJnwreck in Illinois kills 12 and injures So persons. Page 4. Bernier. Canadian explorer, publishes letter irom cook lemng or polar expedition ana Pear's misdeeds. Page 1. Sports. CoaBt League scores: San Francisco 5, Io.i Angeles 4; ernon i. Oakland 1; Port land, rain. Page IS. Immense demand for seats at world's cham- plonsmp ball Karnes, i'age 13. Multnomah Club starts campaign for new members. Page 13. Ram gives chance for Sacramento and Portland to rest today. Page 13. Pacific NorthweM. Mine explosion at Nanaimo Imprison So men; 'JH rescued, otners feared lost. Page 1. Corvallis men-hants ntffn petition to um no Bell company phones, page y. Brother of Meyers, flayer of Salem police man, comes io nis am. I'ase - W. L,. McCormick, of Tacoma, pledges sup port of pierce C ounty for McCredle. Page 7. District fair at The Dalles fills city with people. Page . Commercial and Marine. Exports of American condensed milk to 'Japan. Puge iv. Active cash demand for wheat at Chicago. Page 1U. Advai.ce in United States Steel is, checked. Page i- Marine news. Page IS. Portland and Ykinlty. O. R- & N. makes changes In its train. service, page 12. Multnomah Club starts membership cam paign. Page 13. More local men taken into directorate of Home Telephone Company, page 14. Railroad representatives confer on passenger lares. rage 12. Mayor Simon hopes to reduce taxes next year. Page 14. Census jobs are open to all who can meet tests. Page 14 Woman caught In dive blames saloon keeper for her downfall. Page IS. Presbytery ends session with programme devoted to John Calvin. Page 11. All Is in readiness for opening of Portland Horsrt show tomorrow. Page 13. omml5jsloner Wehrung defended by E7. W, Howe, out new rumor starts. Peg 4.