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THIS MORNING OREGONIAN, THURSDAY, MARCH 26, 1903. .
CHIEFS ON GRIDIRON
Civil Service Commissioners
Ask Searching Questions.
STAND BY PROPOSED RULES
-Beads of Police and Fire Depart
ments Are Asked In Detail About
Probable Effect of IS'evr
Bales on Their 3iea. '
The members of the Civil Service "Com
mission amused themselves yesterday aft
ernoon by cross-examining Chief Hunt, of
the Police DeDartment. Chief Campbell
-was alao ud before the Commission and
was closely Questioned as the effects of
the proposed rales on his department,
but most of the timo -was spent with, the
leader of the bluecoats. Every phase of
the question was attacked, and -when the
end came, a great array of Tacts piled
themselves up before the tired Commis
sioners. When the Commission -was called to
order, there -were present Chief Hunt, of
the Police Department, Chief Campbell, of
the Flro Department, and City Engineer
Elliott. The latter did not enter into the
fun, but sat In a corner, and listened to
the emphatic statements of the -witnesses.
The first rattle out of the box -was a
resolution by Willis, explaining the situa
tion of the Commission, calling attention
to the fact that several newspaper state
xneato had been nrinted which -were
garbled, and recommending that the chiefs
of departments be questioned as to -what
3ffoct the rules would havo on their
forces. This resolution was adopted, and
the Commission proceeded to business.
On recommendation of Chief Campbell,
the position of telephone operator was
made In the Are service to provide for a
man to operate the switchboard at head
quarters. Then the Commission turned
into a court of inquiry, and commenced
on tho chiefs.
Chief Hunt was the first man to undergo
the ordeal, and after he was duly sworn
by Secretary Potter, the following con--versatlon
took place between himself and
the Commissioners:
"Mr. Hunt," said Mr. Courteney, what
effect will .the application of rule 1 have
on your department?"
"As regards height and chest measure
ment, a number will not come up to the
standard," replied the Chief. "Many will
not be tho prescribed weight. It will af
fect quite a number."
"How many men, according to your
measurement, come under the standard?"
asked -Sir. Courteney, who wanted facts,
and not generalities.
Mr. Hunt did not know, and a list was
produced by the Mayor, which showed 23
of the present force under five feet nine
and U over.
"Will you kindly state -what effect all
this talk has had on the men?" asked Mr.
Courteney.
"I do not think, it has had much effect,
except to cause a feeling of anxiety among
them." ,
"Has it prevented them from making
applications?"
"No."
"Now, Mr. Hunt, If this rule wero to
bo applied Irrespective of the members of
the present force, would It not be a bene
ficial rule?"
"I believe it would bo of advantage If
all members were five feet nine," said
the Chief.
"Do you know the men who are below
tho standard?" asked the Mayor.
The Chief said he did. and he was asked
how they compared with the men above
tho standard.
"Most favorably," affirmed the Chief. "I
could name some of those below who are
the best men in the force. I could name
some who are above the average."
"Have any of your men resigned on ac
count of the rules?" queried Mr. Courte
ney. "Not that I know-of. Three.have given
me notice."
On question, there seemed to be good
and sufficient reasons why these three
should desire to quit the service, as it
seemed they had better prospects else
where. Mr. Hodson then took tho witness.
"Mr. Hunt, did you ever make a state
ment that the rules would only leave you
JO men?"
"Not that I recollect,"
"Did you ever say that they would take
CO per cent of the men?"
"No. sin" said Mr. Hunt with groat
force. w
The Mayor then interrupted the talk
with, a remark that Mr. Hunt had said in
a committee meeting that it would affect
CO per cent of the force.
"What object," asked Mr. Hodson, "did
you have in .making that statement?"
Mr. Hunt then took occasion to explain
that he had surmised that he would loose
15 men each on the height and chest
measurement rules.
"You surmised that it would take 15
men on each part." said Mr. Hodson, with
a trace of chilling frost in his voice. "It
now appears that ?ou will lose 24 on one
rule and five on the other. Now, the fact
is, you made tuese-etatcmcnts without any
information."
Mr. Hunt looked warm and uncomfort
able. "I said I believed, I supposed."
"But did you mako this statement with
out information?" pressed Commissioner
Hodson.
Hero Mayor Williams took a hand, and
4eald tho question was not pertinent. "If
tho object is to involve the Chief in con
tradiction, I don't think It is pertinent."
Mr. Hodson thought the question was
pertinent, however, and fired at the Chief
again.
"Tho statements wero made by me to
: tho best of my ability. I answer now
that I was mistaken."
"I never said it would take mo two
years to whip 60 men In lino." continued
the Chief, with an explanatory gesture.
"Many things have appeared in the papers
that I never said."
"I am glad to hear you ear so," said
Mr. Hodson.
"Articles havo appeared in tho papers
that have been absolutely without my au
thorization. I have never been aggressive
to the Commission. It has never boen to
my interest to antagonize." and the Chief
looked very meek.
"It was -with the purpose of ascertaining
your position that we called you here to
day." remarked Mr. Hod6on drylv.
"If you can show mo where I have been
antagonizing. I wish to know it. I would
like to assure you that I have never been
antagonistic"
"Have you ever heard of .a concentrated
movement leading toward preventing the
members of the force from making aDDlI
cations?" "I never heard of it. I never knew of
.any preconcerted action."
"You say that after this rule has been
applied it will be beneficial?"
"I think that it would be. Some of the
men five feet eight are as good as those
five feet nine, both in activity and atten
tion to dutv."
"I have consulted with you." said the
Mayor, "and you stated that if this rule
were enforced, it would seriously affect
-us."
"That la right. I don't hesitate to say
so. Some of the very best men come un
der the schedule. All other things being
equal, length of service Is valuable, very
valuable," and the Chief nodded vigor
ously, to show that he appreciated tho
gravity of the situation.
After a lew other questions Mr. Hunt
got oft the floor, and Chief Dave Camp
bell came on. Ho was sworn, and then
the battery of Commissioners opened up
again.
"Do you lcnow how the application of
this rule will affect your department?"
began -Commissioner Courteney.
"Personally I do not," responded the
Chief.
"Have you ever made any statements
how the rules would affect the depart
ment?"
1 have made statements from what I
have heard said."
"Of your own knowledge, you Know
nothing?"
"I have asked the district engineers to
take measurements so I can make an in
telligent report."
"Have any of your men resign ea Decause
of the rules?"
"I know a few men who have resigned
because they have said they might not be
able to pass the examinations."
The Chief was asked to name some, ana
did so. ,
"What reason did he give your and
the questioner named a man.
"His reason was that he could not pass
the examinations."
"Have you any difficulty In getting good-
sized extra men?"
"Yes. sir." said Mr. Campbell.
"I have had new men that were big."
he continued to explain, "but they were
unable to do the work. They couldn't
'eat smake,' as the men say."
"Are there any other men going to re
sign?"
"I can tell you of a movement on foot
now. The Firemen's Mutual Relief Asso
ciation, which has been kept going irom
the fines of the firemen, will havo to be
discontinued under the new charter, as
now the fines will go into a police and
firemen's fund. There will be nothing to
keep tho association going. The men held
a meeting last night. The feeling seems
that the majority are going to Iobc their
places. They have agreed to divide the
funds on hand among themselves, as there
will be nothing to keep going on."
"Have you any Idea of how many men
will bo disqualified?" asked Mr. Courteney.
"Only hearsay. About 20 from what I
can learn." It was estimated that there
were 137 members of the department.
Chief Campbell also said there was a
feeling among the extra men that they
would not apply. They did not want to
be examined again for $19 a month.
"Your idea then Is that the newspaper
reports and not the rules themselves have
created the dissatisfaction?" suggested
Mr. Willis. 4
'Whether It was the rules or news
papers, l couidn t say."
"There is objection to the law behind
the rules, and not to the mica?"
"Thero's a good deal of truth in that. I
guess."
There was a moment's silence, and then
Chief Hunt appeared. He wanted to ex
plain.
"I want to make an explanation about
the statement that If those rules were
applied, they would take SO per cent of the
men. I did say It would affect the force
seriously. I will explain.. The rules will
take many men who are not high enough,
or have not the required chest measure
ment. Then there are many who will not
answer the printed questions." Then the
Chief explained that there were many
members of the force who never would
answer some of tho required questions.
and would never submit an application.
This abase of the matter was thoroughly
discussed, and then the members returned
to Chief CamsbelL
"Have you any reason to believe this
Commission has Interest In having any
new men in tne positions?" asked Mr.
Hodson.
"Well, some of the boys say there is
politics In it. but I have told them I
knew you personally, and that you were
all right."
"Did any one explain how It would be
possible for politics to come in?" queried
Mr. Willis.
"No. It's Just a kind of general feel
ing." "Do you know of any persons using In
fluence on the men to prevent them from
applying for positions?" asked Mr. Hod
son. "No, sir." This seemed to terminate
the proceedings of the inquisition, and it
was decided to continue the labors of the
Commission to another day.
Itoclc Quarry Visited.
The rock quarry committee made a com
plete investigation of the O. R. & N. Co.'s
quarry up the Columbia River Tuesday,
and returned late on the same day. The
committeemen who made the trip were
Messrs. Elliott. Rumelln. Schuman, Card
well, G-llsan and Industrial Agent Judson.
The quarry is situated at mile post 54, a
few miles east of Cascade Locks, and the
committee reports that the quality of
rock to be secured at tho place is very
good.
HEADING AND VENTILATING
Perfected System Along: Scicntlflc
Lines at Sunxiysido -School.
We cannot refrain from expressing our
satisfaction at tho verdict of the commit
tee appointed by the City Federation of
Woman's Clubs to -visit and examine the
sanitary condition of the schools upon
the heating and ventilating apparatus of
the Sunnyslde School in comparison with
all other schools in the city, as printed
In yesterday's Oregonlan. which verdict
is embodied In tho portion of their report,
reading as follows:
"Tho Sunnysldo School stands as the
best example of true improvement in the
matter of heating and ventilation. Not
only can this be evenly heated and even
ly ventilated in a very short time, but
also at minimum expense in cost of fuel.
Whereas the most flattering thing said
of any other schools is relative to the
new Holladay and Thompson Schools (In
both of which tho average cost of instal
lation per room is nearly double, while
cost of fuel Is over double that used in
the Sunnyslde School), of which they re
port. "Have both good sanitary conditions,
but much In tho system of ventilating and
handling the same is still experimental."
though these plants have been In opera
tion lor tnree years.
The Sunnyslde School heating and ven
tilating plant was designed and installed
by us and was guaranteed to provide 1S00
cubic feet air per pupil per hour, and to
maintain any temperature desired between
GO and 80 degrees In the coldest of weather
without 10 degrees variation between the
celling and floor of the rooms. The bond
given to secure tho guarantee was the
best possible to obtain in tho opinion of
the school board, and the test was accom
pllshed by actual measurement with air
meter and six thermometers In each room
at varying heights and positions before
the apparatus was accepted In February.
The same system has been Installed In
Woodlawn School, now nearly ready for
occupancy, and also in the Masonic Sco
tlsh Rite Temple, and is being installed
in several office buildings and stores in
this city, as well as in Seattle and neigh
boring cities by tho undersigned.
W. G. M'PHERSON.
Heating and Ventilating Engineers.
REACTION CO.'S EFFORT.
The Reason There Has Seen So Much
Delay at Month of the Columbia.
Philadelphia Record.
The Oregonlan, published In Portland,
Or contains an account of the effort that
Is being made to Improve the mouth of
the Columbia River. It seems that the
Reaction Jetty Company, which has offices
in Philadelphia, submitted to the War De
partment last Fall a proposal to create
and maintain a 40-foot channel through
the bar which now obstructs tho mouth
of the river. By erecting a single reaction
Jetty upon the plan of Professor I M.
Haupt's patents, owned by the company,
it was proposed tc; secure the desired re
sult for greatly less cost and with better
assurance of permanence than is prom
ised by any other method. The matter
was submitted to the Secretary of War
under the clause of the river and harbor
act authorizing him to change the plans
of tho Board of Government Engineers.
Meier Frank Company
"Nancy Brown" the name of a new stylish Dress Hat for women.
Meier Frank Company
Easy-Riding" Go-Carts and Baby Carriages 50 models $3.75 to $50.
Ladies Neckwear Superb Assortment of new styles arriving daily The Cloak and Suit Section is at its best.
0,000 Yards of Embroideries
for This
Sale
A Manufacturer's Entire Stock at Prices Unknown for
Hfeh-Class Goods From way-of? hmv little st. Gaii, switzer-
3! land, comes this great lot of fine embroideries
to be offered at less than cost of manufacturing. An initio! offering from
a new manufacturer who has established a reputation for the high quality
of his product. We are one of his best accounts. He wants to get into
our good graces; wrote us about this lot early in the year; guaranteed
the goods were right in pattern, style and quality. We couldn't do any
thing else but take him up. Were greatly enthused over them; know you
will be. Here's the facts and figures. They tell the story best.
W Swiss Nainsook and Cambric Edgings and Sets, 5 to 15 inches wide, imitation hand-embroi-
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m patterns for trimming underwear, Summer dresses, waists, baby clothes, etc. All new de
sirable, goods in immense variety, '
1
Lot
Values from 40c to $1.00 yard for
Swiss, Nainsook and Cambric Edgings and Insertions to match, 5 to 9 inches wide, hundreds
of the very best patterns bow-knots, imitation hand-embroidered, fleur de lis, French em
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Values from 25 c to 50c yard for
W a Swiss, Nainsook and Cambric Embroideries, edgings and insertions to match, widths 2 to 5
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ay f . li i.t i j J j 1: j i :...: :
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Marvelous values All new goods,'
Values from 18c to 35c yard for
25c
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Remarkable Bargains in
Handkerchiefs
An unequaled handkerchief
bargain for today's store visi
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great special purchase made
at a surprisingly low price
and offered you at an unheard-of
price.
Ladies' pure linen, hand-embroidered,
initial, unlaun
dered Handkerchiefs, hem
stitched, while they
last, your choice at,
each
100 dozen ladies' Handker
chiefs, dainty Swiss embroi
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notfprns. fine
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quality, immense variety, 35c, 40c values, each
55 emoroi-
33c
Great
Shoe
This morning only, from 9 to 12.
We will offer 500 pairs of ladies' Shoes for dress or serviceable
wear at a price the lowest ever quoted on first-class footwear
An emphatic bargain that must interest every woman economic
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'..:i5 4 1 I 1
vici nm, uuugum uuu uua
calf, kid or patent tips, light
or heavy soles This morning
only from 9 to 12, regular
$2.50 val. for, pr.
Stationery, Drug Sundries
Special values that merit the attention of the shrewdest buyers.
Hustler Playing: Cards, regular 15c
"value, today, package 10c
5000 packages Cream Wove Envelopes 3c
EOO rolls Dennlson's Crepe Paper,
rolls 6c
Purity Toilet Paper, 3 rolls JOc
All our 25c Toothbrushes Uc
Baby Talcum Powder, box 5c
10c bottle Vaseline, bottle 6c
All 25c Whisk Brooms J5c
Special bargains in all kinds of
popular advertised toilet articles to
day. Continuation of the demonstration
of solid gold rings.
700th Surprise Bargains in Every Departm
The great list boiled down and demonstrating the many money-saving opportunities throughout the entire store Bargains that have been
interesting thousands Have you secured your share?
1 21c Embroidery Bead
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Val. Edges, Inser tings,
1 2-yard piece 19c
75 c to 90c Appliques
for, yard - 59c
$3.00 Axminster Rugs,
each $1.98
1-yd. pieces Ingrain Car
pets, piece 25c
Great bargains in Mus
lin, Bobinet and Brus
sels Curtains, per pair,
79c, 87c, $1.19.. $2.27
Double Bell Alarm
Clocks $1.19
20 lbs. Western Granu
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M. & F. 30c Mocha and
Java Coffee, pound . 23c
Other Grocery Bargains.
15c Percales for, yd 10c
White Piques at, yd 2 Ic
Silk .and Linen Tissue,
yard 47c
2 7-inch Dress Ginghams,
yard 7c
Special bargains in Cut
Glass and Silverware,
Basement.
Bargains in Men's Cloth
ing. Boys Wash Waists and
Blouses, 3 to 14-year
sizes, each 18c
Great lot of Women's
$3.00 Shoes, the best
styles, pair $2.28
Men's $3.50 Shoes, per
pair $2.85
Greatest Hosiery Special
ever offered Lace and boot
effects, 35c values
22c pr.
Great lot of odds and ends
in "Perrin's" and other good
Gloves, values up to $2.00
for
pr.
36-inch Scotch Flannels,
yard , 39c
25c Flannel Wais tings,
yard I3c
15-cent Flannelettes for,
yard 10c
Great Stationery bar
gains at, box, 6c, 7c . . 9c
Turkish Towels, each . . 10c
All-Linen Huck Tow
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Fringed Bedspreads 99c
Marseilles Bedspreads,
$2.50 values, ea..-$1.92
Cloak
Great bargains in ladies
Suits at, each ... $17.25
Ladies' SilkMonte Carlo
coats, special $10.85
Ladies' $10.00 Silk
Waists $6.45
Ladies' $6.0 0 Silk
Waists $4.55
Ladies' $7.50 Plaid Silk
Petticoats for $5.95
20-cent Collar and Cuff
Sets 13c
75c and 85c Lace Col
lars, each . 59c
2000 Turnovers at, ea . .4c
Great lot of Ladies'
. Dress Hats at, ea . . $2.98
Special lot of Ladies'
Trimmed Dress Hats,
$7.50 values at ... . $4.98
$ 1 Dress Goods, yd 69c
$ 1 Twine Cloth, yd ... . 69c
Black Taffeta Silk, 83c,
97c, $1 $1.19
All Framed Pictures at spe
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A special board was appointed and a full
hearing was had In Xew York. The oper
ation of a Haupt reaction jetty at Aran
sas Pass, in Texas, was personally exam
inedthe board visiting Texas for that
purpose and now the report has been
completed. It will go to the Chief of the
Bureau of Engineers, and. If approved by
him. to the Secretary of War for final
action. It Is intimated that the Reaction
Jetty Company will make a vigorous pro
test against the adoption of the report,
and will Insist upon its rigtit to have the
contract If the Secretary be convinced that
its plans aro less costly and more efficient
than those of the Government engineers.
This controversy Is of great Interest to
.Philadelphia, and attention is drawn to
it because it involves the very point the
Record has sought to make in the matter
of the Delaware River channel the same
. point that was made by the Trades
f .League, to which we called attention at
the time that opportunity should be ai
forded for demonstrating whether or not
there is any better, safer, more permanent
and more economical method than con
tinual expensive and inconclusive, dredg
ing. If there be such a method this city
should ascertain Its probable cost in oper
ation and the probable permanence of the
channel It is calculated to create and main
tain. In the very near future vessels of
the largest type are expected to make the
attempt to reach our wharves and get
safely away with, full cargoes. Consider
able doubt la expressed about the ability
of the new Narragansett to get in or out
of Philadelphia loaded, and there are mis
givings about the Merlon and Friesland,
recently added to our Liverpool service.
The contest over the Columbia is be
tween two different forms of Jetty. In
the matter of the Delaware the question
has not reached the dignity of a contest;
it has not even been narrowed down to
a definite issue. It Is all in the air, with
nothing before us but the fact that mil
lions have been expended and millions
more must be spent, and nothing Is offered
us but the Ufual ditch-digging of the last
20 years. No result has been accom
plished; the channel and the range lights
are not in accord? the big vessels shun
us because those of moderate draft are
constantly grounding, and the city, the
merchants and the shipbuilders all seem
-willing to have it so.
If there could be gathered together a
few of the great Interests to which an
adequate channel has become essential,
and to whose representatives the Secre
tary of War would give a patient and
thoughtful attention, the way might be
opened for putting in operation the recent
suggestion of the Trades League, to invite
competition for the early opening of the
channel based on results secured.
The Xejrreiis and the Smart Set.
Kansas City Journal.
A. negreas doing catchy song and dance
stunts for a popular vaudeville companj
now performing In New York was enter,
talned at a high-toned restaurant the
other evening by some of the most aris
tocratic members of the Innermost circle
in the far-famed exclusive "smart set"
of that city. But taking Into, considera
tion the accusations made by Colones
"Watterson against these leaders of fash
Ion, and also recalling 'the fact that a
short while ago they fraternized with a
monkey and spread a costly and elaborate
banquet in Its behalf, the judicious art
constrained to say that at the recent en
tertainment first above mentioned the
condescension was on the part of the
black guest and the honor on the side ol
the white hosts and hostesses.