THURSDAY, JUNE 21, 1917.
LA GRANDE EVENING OBSERVER.
PAGE 4 THREE
.THE FORUM!
SHOULD A CHARGE BE MADE
FOR PARK 'PRIVILEGES
JULY 4.
La Grande, June 21. (To the Edi
tor ) --Everyone has been talking patri
otism lately and there has been much
time and expense spent to arouse the
people and urge them to stand by our
flag and the government in this time
of national peril but it seems to me
that we should not forget our own
people.
There seems to De an arrangement
by a few of the best of us to shut
h wates of Riverside raark acrainst
-the rest of the citizens unless they
pay them an entrance fee on the Glor
ious Fourth, the one day above all
ethers that the park should be open to
the public.
There are many families who can
not well afford to pay for the priv
ilege of enjoying a holiday picnic and
it seems to me that if the park com
missioners' patriotism is not a myth,
if it is more than skin deep and really
comes from the heart and they really
want to do something lor humanity
in honor and justice to the public
they will surely throw tho park gates
wide open on the ono great national
holiday,
Do unto others as ye would that
others should do unto you.
(Signed) GEORGE BALL.
In Answer to Mr. Gibbs.
La Grande, Ore., June 21. (To the
Editor) I wish to reply to an article
which appears in your Saturday's is.
sue from the pen of Rev. Upton H.
Gibbs in which he takes exception to
my comments on the question of bap.
tiam. I stated in tho (reported ser
mon that appear! the former Satur
day in your paper that the Greek
word "baptize never meant to
sprinkle." Mir. Gibbs claims that my
contention is not supported by facts,
or in other woids that I am misrep
resenting matters.
The reader will observe that the
question in debate is one of philology
and in order to be honest and impar
tial I will proceed to show by the best
authorities especially those who be
long to the samo church as Rev.
Gibbs as well as others that the posi
tion I take is the absolutely correct
one.
Dr. Pusey (Episcopalian) says:
'"The burial of the old world spoke of
our co-internmont with Christ, the
bursting forth of the new through the
waters and out of the waters, our
resurrection with him."
Idorsheim (Episcopalian) says: "It
was as if symbolically, in the words of
St. Peter (1 Peter 3:21), that bap
tism had been a flood, and he now
emerged from it, indicative of a new
life. Here, at these waters, was the
Kingdom into which Jesus had en
tered in the fulfillment of all
righteousness; and from thence he
emerged as its heaven-designated,
heaven-qualified, and heaven-pro-!
claimed King." . I
Geikie (Episcopalian) says: "It was
hence impossible to see a convert go
down into a stream, travel-worn, and
soiled with dust, and, after disappear
ing for a moment, emerge pure and
fresh, without feeling that the symbol
suited and interpreted a strong crav
ing of the human heart Jt was no
formal rite with John. Past years
had been buried in the waters of Jor
dan." pp. 276-413-414.
John Wesley (Methodist) said: "We
are buried with him alluding to the
ancient form of baptizing by immer
sion. (Notes on N. T. Rom. 6:3)
"Baptized according to the custom of
church of England by immersion
(Journal Vol. 1 p. 20.)
Adam Clark (Methodist) says: "As
they received baptism as an emblem
of death involuntarily going under the
water so they received it as an em
blem of the resurrection into eternal
life in coming out of the water."
(Com. Vol. 4 N. T.)
Dr. Wall (Episcopalian) says:
"Their general and ordinary way was
to br.ptize by immersion, or dipping
this is so plain and clear, by an in
finite number of passages. It was, in
all probability, the way which our
blessed Savior, and for certain was
the usual ai;d ordinary way by which
the ancient Chrstians did receive
their baptism. (Hist. Bap. Vol. 1 pp.
570-571.)
Jeremiah "(Greek Patriarch) said:
"The ancients did not sprinkle the
candidate but immersed him.
John Calvin (Presbyterian) said:
"The word 'baptize' signifies to im
merse, and it is certain that the rite of
immersion was observed by the an
cient church. (Inst. Book 4 C. 15).
Phillip Schaff, D. D. L. L. D. Prof,
of Church History Union Theological
Seminarv N. Y.. said: "The baptism
of Christ in the Rivor of Jordan and
tho illustrations of baptism in the
New Testament are all in favor of im
mersion rather than sprinkling, as it
is freelv admitted by the best ex-
cgetes, Catholic and Protestant, Eng
lish and German." (Teach, pp. 55, 56)
Luther (Luthem) said: "Baptism is
a Grppk word. In latin it can be
translated immersion, as when we
plunge something into the water, that
it may be completely covered with
water. They ought to have been com
pletely immersed." (The Sacrament
of Baptism.)
Alex, de Stourdza (Native Greek):
"The verb baptize, has in fact, but
one sole conception. It signified lit
erally and always to plunge. Bap
tism and immersion, are, therefore,
identical, and to say baptism by
sprinkling is as if one should say im-
mora ion by sprinkling, or any other
absurdity of the same nature." (Con.
Sur LaDoe. et L'Esprit. p. 887.)
Conybeare and Howson (Episco
palians) said: "This passage cannot
be understood unless it be bJrne in
mind that the primitive baptism was
by immersion." (Life and Epistles of
St. Paul, Vol. 2, p. 169.)
Chancellor Est (Roman Catholic)
said: "Immersion which takes place in
baptism, signifies and expresses, as
has been said, the burial of Christ."
With this array of unquestionable
authorities how can any man claim
sprinkling to be a mode of baptism T
And if so why did not these scholars
give sprinkling as one of the modes.
Can you produce any Standard Greek
lexicon that translates the Greek word
from which baptism is derived to
mean sprinkling? If you know of one
please quote it.
A question now arises if immersion,
or burial, was the original and only
mode of baptism, how come great and
honorable representatives of the var
ious denominations to adopt sprinkl
ing in the place of immersion? Per
haps a little history will answer the
question
Haydfock (Roman Catholic) said:
"The church, which cannot change the
least article of faith, is not so tied up
in matters of discipline and ceremony.
Not only the Catholic church, but also
the pretended reformed churches,
have altered the primitive custom in
giving the sacrament of baptism, and
now allow baptism by sprinkling
and pouring water upon the person
baptized; nay, many of their minis
ters dot it now-a-days by filliping a
wet finger and thumb over the child's
head, which is hard enough to call a
baptizing in any sense." (Note in
Douay Bible, on . Matt 3:6 Chris
tian's llmmersion, p. 210.)
Cardinal Gibbons, said: "For sev
eral centuries after the establishment
of Christianity, baptism was usually
conferred by immersion; but since the
twelfth century the practice of bap
tizing by affusion has prevailed in the
Catholic church, as this manner is at
tended with less inconvenience than
baptism by immersion." (Faith of our
Fathers p. 275) Immersion, by Ur.
Christian p. 208.)
Dean Goulburn (Episcopalian)
said: "There can be no question that
the original form of baptism the
very meaning of the word! was com
plete immersion in the deep baptismal
waters; and that for at least four
centuries any other form was either
unknown or regarded as an excep
tional, aliftost a monstrous case."
(Quarterly Review, June 1854, Con
cise Comments.)
Dean Stanley (Episcopalian) said:
"With the few exceptions just men
tioned, the . whole of the Western
churches have now substituted for the
ancient bath, the ceremony of sprinkl
ing a few drops of water on the face.
The reason of the change is obvious.
Not by any decree of Council or Par
liament, but by the general consent of
Christian liberty, this great change
was effected."
Dr. Johnson (Episcopalian) said:
"As to the giving of bread only to the
laity, he said, they (Catholics) may
think that in; what is merely ritual,
deviations from the primitive mode
may be admitted on the ground of
convenience, and I think they are as
well warranted to make this altera
tion, as we are to substitute sprinkl
ing in the room of the ancient bap
tism." (iBoswell's Life of Johnson, Vol.
8 p. 291.)
Dr. Crystal (Episcopalian) I wish
that all Christians would restore the
primitive practice.
The candid reader will see that tne
original form was changed by the
Catholic church, long before the Epis
copalian church was organized, and
the new mode was adopted by Metho
dist, Presbyterian, Lutherans, etc., If
am in error, or unfair in my con
clusions the commonly accepted rules
of interpretation are grossly vague
and history is of no value. I think
I have practically met the main points
raised in Mr. Gibbs' plea for sprinkl-
iner. excepting that portion that re
fers to "Infant Baptism," which he
associates with the change from the
Jewish Sabbath to the Lord's Day. On
this phase of the subject I would ask !
Mr. Gibbs the following questions
which when answered will (I think)
settle the question or at least shed
much liffht on it:
1. Where in the N. T. do you read
of any person, young or old being
baptized who could not believe or re
pent?
2. Can you produce any positive
proof that there in one "Apostolic
Father" who even alludes to sprinkl
ing being practiced any time before
the third century, if so give quota
tion ?
3. If sprinkling, was a recognized
form of baptism in N. T. times, why
did not the translators of the Ameri
can revision of the Bible in the year
1901 at least indicate so, and were
they not scholars who belonged to
churches that practice the new mode ?
4. In your reference to the Fenta
costal case, was not the house in
which the Aposties (had assembled)
filled; and don't you think that such
being the fact that there was an im
mersion. Again is tnere not a ng
urative use made of baptism, such as
the expression, "immersed in debt."
5. If your contention for sprinkling
is correct, why do some of your ablest
ministers frankly tell us that
sprinkling was substituted for the
original form which they admit was
an immersion?
6. In your illustration of ancient
burial, you said it was sometimes
done bv "castimr three handfuls of
earth on a body." Now my brother!
Was that a
general cr particular
US '!USk4
way? Was it tho way our Lord was
buried, for our burial should resemble
Hia. and not a heathen or retreating
soldier?
H. L. FORD.
BARGE CANAL N-Y-OF
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New York, June 21. (Special)
An event, almost unnoted in the rush
of world affairs, and yet of prime im-
portanco, not only to New xork Jity
but to the nation et large, occurred
the other day when the long awaited
Barge Canal was opened and this city
at last became n real port of entry to
the Great. Lake3 from Buffalo to Du-
luth. "The Raging Erie, as up-
state scoffers call it, now enters an
era of new dignity as a "near" ship
canal,
Ever since the little old canal was
first projected by Governor Clinton a
century ago it has been variously re
garded as a joke, a national wonder,
and a "White Elephant" "Clinton's'
Ditch." they dubbed it in derision un- .
til the booming of a cannon at Buf-.
falo, the last of a relay of guns'
stretching from iroy w, uuw
nounced an unbroken waterway from
the Hudson to Lake Erie, and the final
.conquering
of the New York Wilder-'
A tiny ditch it was, only four
feet deep and j., ,
craft were little larger than whale-,
boats Octogonemns still toll of the
fLTaslToTs
t ,,. iot hn niinv.
,.?l:r:r... "l"7 " u"
Danics so snas uiey imu w no
forced frequently. It was the rapid.
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And it was an engineering wonder, ,
striking through 300 miles of terri -
tory, much of U unbroken wilderness,!
Driaging rusnmg rivers un k.,
ful aqueducts, crossing valleys on i
high enbankments, cutting through ,
deep cuts and climbing from one level
to another by long series of locks.
And it made New York the "Umpire;
State." It opened up the trade of J
the West and made New York City J
the greatest port in America. Before
that Philadelphia was a successful i
rival.
Then came railroad competition. Be -
fore the days of railroad regulation
the canal with its cheaper operation-
was a curb to the cupidity of early
traction magnates. With this in view
they deepened it to eight feet about
the middle of the last century and
made it eighty feet wide. Then tho
progressives began to dream of ship
canal and conservatives began to pro-
test that the nation as a whole and
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Portland, Oregon, June 16, 1917.
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server.
La Grande, Ore.
Dear Sir: The Oregon Publicity
nmMlf f aa nnalina wvlfa tliaf ISA
thank for kind efforts in
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exactly three seconds for Katcher to
convince his adversary that there was
only one Marine lightweight cham
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During a recent visit of Jess Wil
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champion three rounds; the big fel
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consenting to ,help along in the cam
paign for recruits. In the language
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Dance at Zubcr Hall every Wed
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This is fino wheat growing weather
and great soda water weather. If
you wish your thirst quenched with a
dish of ice cream or an ice cream
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sunda0 or lemonade just drop in at
Siiverthorn.s fountain. Adv. 6-22-tf
Camp-Fire Girls Hike.
The Otsego Camp-fire girls hit the
open road and hiked to Perry Monday.
There they built a camp-fire, cooknd
their breakfast of sausage, coffee, and
eggs, and then explored the surround
ing country, visiting an old well And
other points of interest. Twelve girls
went on the trip. They started about
6 o'clock in the morning and were
back by half -past 9 having a most en
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Money to Loan.
On improved real property In Union
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Peoples' Meat Market Moved.
R. Ludwig has moved his meat
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Reserved seats for "Intolerance"
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J. L. Mars, real estate and rent
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Second Hand Furniture.
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tend the dancing party to be given at
Riverside park, Monday evening, June
25th, by the ladies of the Thursday
Auction club. The proceeds are to go
to the Red Cross Fund.
We pay highest prices for hide and
sheep pelts. Peoples' Meat Market,
Ml 9 1-2 Adams Ave. Adv. 12-6-tf.
Seats for either night of "Intol
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