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VOLUME XXXIV
UNIVERSITY OF OREGON, EUGENE, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1934
NUMBER 38
Resume
of
Today’s
News
By Associated Press
- NOVEMBER 19
WARN FRANCE OF GERMANY!
PARIS—(AP) — France was
warned sharply today that Ger
many was building up a mighty
military machine and could, by
next year, throw 5,500,000 men into
action within a few days.
This was the declaration of Leon
Archimbaud, reporter of the bud
get, who asked credits of 5,689,
215,000 franc (about (376,200,000)
for the 1935 war budget.
BELGIAN CABINET FORMED
BRUSSELS— (AP)—Col. George
Theunis announced late tonight he
had succeeded in forming a cabinet
to replace that of Count Charles
De Broqueville which resigned
Nov. 13.
BORAH HURLS CHARGES!
WASHINGTON — (AP)—New
charges of waste amounting to
millions of dollars were aimed at
the relief administration tonight
by Senator Borah of Idaho.
In a radio address the veteran
Republican independent boomed a
demand for an investigation by a
“wholly disinterested committee or
tribunal.’’ Asked before he stepped
to the microphone what he meant
by that, he saidr “Congress.”
Borah urged that the adminis
tration wrap additional safeguards
against waste around the huge re
lief program contemplated for
next year.
LITTLE ENTENTE TO APPEAL
GENEVA—(API—Statesman of
the little entente met and agreed
an appeal should be made to the
council of the League of Nations
to combat terrorists like those re
sponsible for the assassination of
King Alexander of Yugoslavia and
Foreign Minster Barthou of
France. Form of the requested op
position to terrorists organizations
was not disclosed.
F.D. JR., FACES SUIT
BOSTON—(AP)—James Allen,
clerk of the United States district
court, today issued a writ of at
tachment for $25,000 against
Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr., son of
the president and a sophomore at
Harvard university.
Arthur P. Digan, counsel for the
plaintiff, Mrs. Daniel P. O’Leary,
00, said the suit was obtained in
connection with an automobile ac
cident March 24 in which Mrs.
O’Leary was struck by a car op
erated by young Roosevelt.
MOLEY IN FAVOR AGAIN
WASHINGTON— (AP)—Ray
mond Moley was reported today in
high quarters to have returned to
the right hand of President Roose
velt.
The one-time “brain truster
number one,” whose star in the
Washington government ascended
speedily and with a scintillating
brilliance, only to fall and lose
color a year ago, has returned in
recent months to become the right
bower among the chief executive’s
adviser on things politic and eco
nomic.
Cheap, Usable
Museums Wish
OfLoradoTaft
Sculptor Asks Historical
Subject Arrangement
Talks in Gerlinger
Artist Plans to Bring Art
To People, Prevent
Conglomeration
“A casket containing many
gems” or a museum so inexpen
sive that it could be indulged in
by every state institution—this is
the "Dream Museum” of Lorado
Taft, famous American sculptor,
who spoke to University students
and townspeople in Gerlinger hall
last night.
Taft's museum would have plas
ter casts of all the masterpieces of
the world, cleaned and carefully
lighted, in order to bring out their
true beauty. These would all be
placed in historical order.
"If I only had two casts,” he
added, “they would be placed in
historical sequence. Presently you
would know where things were.”
Talks on Front
The great sculptor spoke of go
ing abroad during the war to
speak to "our boys” about the art
of the world and he learned that
they cared nothing about it, but
that they were more interested at
that time in the art in their home
towns.
Returning from France, he form
ulated the creed: "We are living
in a world of beauty, emerged in
beauty, Emerson says, and yet how
little part this plays in the live of
the average American. In every
town, in every school, there are cer
tain individuals born with an idea
of what they want to do, a talent.
These talents spring up only to
wither away for a lack of sympa
they on the part of other people.
My museum of plaster casts is a
scheme by which we can reach
the people with the arts.”
Describes Plan
The “talking artist,” as he char
acterized himself, spoke of the
recognized malady of “museum fa
tigue” which comes to people
when they visit the museums of
today. He said this was due to
the confusion and helplessness
which they feel, and his "very
great vision in regard to his mu
seum would do away with this.
Illustrating his talk with beau
tiful stereoptican slides, Taft gave
the audience ideas as to the man
ner in which his museum would
be built and showed some of the
masterpieces it would contain.
Works of Greek masters, of the
Gothic, Classic, and French Ren
naissance period were shown. Taft
emphasized the fact that careful
lighting plays a most important
part in bringing out the beauty of
a sculptural piece.
Explains Masterpieces
Grecian figures; Zeus, the king
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Hindu Art Exhibit Opens
AtY.W. Today; Tea Served
Ey HENRIETTE HORAK
J^OR centuries, ever since the
wandering pilgrims and trade
crusaders of early Europe beheld
the mystic Orient, with its wealth
of a strange culture unknown to
Europe, tales of many strange
things have been told and written.
Tales of customs, habits, music,
literature—and art.
An intimate glimpse into the art
of India—the land of bright blar
ing colors, burning reds, royal pur
ples, glimmering golds—the land
of ivory, gold, brass,—the land of
sack-cloth and ashes, will be af
forded students of the University
and townspeople by the display of
Indian art to be exhibited in the
campus Y.W.C.A. bungalow today,
Wednesday, and Thursday after
noons from 2 to 8 o'clock, under
the direction of Mohan V. Raj,
Hindu soldier, adventurer, and now
student of journalism at the Uni
versity of Oregon.
At the opening of the exhibit
this afternoon Mr. Raj will demon
strate the are of Indian block
printing, and also tell stories of
Indian life, and Indian art. Real
India tea will be served each af
ternoon of the exhibit.
Included in the display will be
enameled brassware, Indian art
textiles, tied and dyed scarfs, and
samples of Gandhi cloth. Also, wall
hangings, bed spreads, table run
ners and pillow coverings made of
Gandhi cloth, so-called because it
is a product of the cottage indus
try advocated by Mahatma Gand
hi. Gandhi cloth is hand spun and
hand woven linen with the “Tree
of Life" design which has a relig
ious significance for Hindus.
Countless hours of laborious
work were spent by the Hindu art
ists in carving the brass into beau
tiful peacock designs, filling the
grooves with enamel and baking
the enamel in by means of a now
long extinct process.
The tied and dyed scarfs are
made by Hindu women who tie
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Tickets for Gael Game
ISoiv on Sale at Office
Of Graduate Manager
HPICKETS for the Oregon-St.
Mary’s Thanksgiving day
football game in San Francisco
are now on sale at the graduate
manager's office in McArthur
court. The seats, on the 50
yard line, are priced at $1.65.
All ASUO members will be
admitted free of charge to the
tilt. Arrangements for student
tickets will be announced later.
Sigma Nu Winners
Of Rally Cup Willi
All Out for Danee
Committee Will See Turkey
Day Game as Result of
Student Support
Every member of Sigma Nu fra
ternity attended the rally dance
given Saturday afternoon at McAr
thur court during the Southern
California game and won the Zell
Brothers cup for “the interest of
Oregon spirit.” This is the first
time this cup has been awrarded
and it will be presented every
year to the organization that shows
the most cooperation in promoting
spirit.
All members of the rally com
mittee will be enabled to go to
San Francisco for the Oregon-St.
Mary’s game on Thanksgiving day,
due to the support of the students
at the rally dances and the Oregon
State rally held at the Broadway
theater in Portland.
The committee met at the Col
lege Side late last evening to dis
cuss general plans and to prepare
a budget for the trip, which will
be made in private cars. They are
planning to leave next Tuesday
and to return the following Sun
day.
According to Jim Emmett and
Ralph Schomp, co-chairmen of the
rally committee, the many alumni
livnig in the bay region have been
Contacted and asked to attend the
game and to sit in the rooting sec
tion with all Oregon students who
will make the trip.
Parsons to Talk
On Conservation
That aspect of planning dealing
with the conservation of human
values will be discussed by Dr.
Philip A. Parsons, sociology pro
fessor and chairman of the Ore
gon planning commission, in an ad
dress he will give to the Oakridge
chamber of commerce next Thurs
day night.
Dr. Parsons will point out that
the most noted progress has been
made in planning for conservation
and development of natural physi
cal resources because they offer
something tangible. Adequate sur
veys have been made or are under
way to the attainment of the goal
in this field. This technique, he
believes, should also be used in
planning which affects conserva
tion of what he chooses to call
“human values.”
Recognized as one of the out
standing men in the planning field,
Dr. Parsons was recently selected
by Governor-elect Charles H. Mar
tin to serve on a committee which
he appointed to make a study and
research survey preparatory to
launching his 10-year plan for the
development of Oregon.
Position for Assistant
Open in Law Library
A temporary vacancy exists for
an assistant in the lab library, ac
cording to an announcement made
by Carlton E. Spencer, professor
of law. This position must be
filled by a second or third year
student in the law school.
Students wishing to be consid
ered for the position must file
written applications with Miss
Katherine Karpenstein, circulation
assistant at the law library by
noon Wednesday, November 21.
Selections are made largely on the
basis of scholastic standing, need
for financial assistance, and gen
eral qualifications for the position.
PASS RE-OPENED
BEND, Ore.—(API—The Mc
Kenzie pass was re-opened to traf
fic late today when snow plows
succeeded in boring through two
feet of snow.
Taft Comments on Apparent \
Industry of UO Art Students
By GEORGE ROOT
Ct'J'HE modern girl is delightful
but not sculptural!”
Lorado Taft, seventy-four-year
old sculptor and lecturer, who spent
yesterday afternoon the campus
visiting the art school and the Mu
seum of Art, rested at his hotel
just before supper time last night
and, with the same kindly manner
that characterizes all his conver
sations, spoke of the present-day
girls, the apparent industry of the
students in the art school, and
how he had enjoyed seeing the mu
seum and having “that fine lady,”
Mrs. Perkins, tell him of the dif
ferent things, as, he explained, “I
do not know very much about ori
ental art.”
“Students are lazy,” said the
sculptor. “The modern style of ar
chitecture gives them a chance to
show their laziness. If they draw
a baked-potato and call it a
‘head’ -why, it’s a head!”
“Rodin was a very great sculp
tor and his influence was for the
good, but he went to the extreme
and turned out, at the last, a lot
of work inferior to his usual excel
lence and it was accepted because
it had his name on it. Some of the
modern sculpturing,” Taft added,
“is inferior and will soon be dis
carded. Epstein is one of my pet
afflictions!”
"People often ask me what of
my work I think best and I say,
‘you mean—what of my work do
I think is the least bad!' I always
said that the artist should be ex
ceedingly humble as he is the only
one who really knows if he has
achieved what he set out to
achieve, if he has made his ideal
a reality. My ‘Black Hawk,’ you
know the big sculptured Indian
head, I probably’ like the best be
cause it is so simple—I tried to
achieve less, and more nearly ap
proached what I wanted.”
Mr. Taft spoke of the great beau
ty of the Skidmore fountain in
Portland and, while he didn't se
riously object to the present loca
tion of it, believed that art was
made to be seen, and as the people
here were not accustomed, like
the French, to make trips to ob
scure places to see their fine old
things, it might help to move it
somewhere more accessible, and
Mr. Taft was most enthusiastic
about the suggestion by Anna
Crocker, curator of the Portland
Art Museum, of having the foun
tain placed in the proposed inner
courtyard of the Museum build
ing.
“I enjoyed my stay on your cam
pus,” Taft said in parting. “In
fact I am enjoying very much this
present lecture tour.” And his
plans include a lecture in Portland
and lectures in the south through
to Los Angeles before returning to
his home in Chicago.
Students to Have
Chance at Boeing
Aviation Prizes
Winners of Thesis Contest
Will Be Given Awards
Valued at $6800
University of Oregon students
'■ interested in aviation have been in
vited to enter competition for the
1935 W. E. Boeing scholarships,
the value of which aggregates
$6800, it was announced yesterday
by Dr. C. V. Boyer, president of
the University.
The scholarships v/ill be awarded
on the basis of a thesis competition
of approximately 2,000 words. Stu
dents must be between the ages
of 18 and 25, average height and
weight and free from physical
handicaps, and be in good standing
and in regular attendance at an in
stitution of higher education that
offers at least two years of work
leading to a bachelor’s degree in
arts and sciences.
Winner of the first award will
receive a complete Boeing airline
pilot and operation course, cover
ing 250 hours of flight instruction
and 3765 hours of ground school.
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Matthew to Start East
For Post in Arkansas
Word has been received here
that Dr. Harry V. Matthew, who
has been instructor in education
in the general extension division,
has been appointed to the vocation
al education department in the of
fice of the superintendent of pub
lic instruction of Arkansas, in Lit
tle Rock.
Dr. Matthew and his family will
drive back to his new position.
They will start about the middle
of this week.
Spinsters to Give
Dance at Osburn
Thanksgiving Eve
Women Must Adopt Leap
Year Tactics; Rustle
Dates; Pay Way
Thanksgiving eve will see tho
first dance ever given by Spinsters,
when that organization of Eugene
girls will held an informal at the
Osburne hotel, Sherwood Burr’s
orchestra playing.
The dance is a combination of
leap year and Thanksgiving—for
women are to ‘do the asking,” and
the tickets, which are 75 cents, are
on sale at the women’s living or
ganizations. Only a limited number
will be sold.
Spinsters, which is a group of 20
Eugene girls, largely college stu
dents, was organized last March
for the purpose of welfare work.
It corresponds to the junior leagues
of larger cities. So far the project
of the group has been the handi
capped children’s room, which at
tempts to aid children who are sub
normal because of some mental or
physical defect. During the winter
Spinsters wil sponsor the first
junior gleemen’s concert.
The co-chairmen of the Thanks
giving dance are Susan JIurley,
senior in arts and letters, and Bet
ty Anne Macduff, ’33. Miss Mac
duff, now a reporter for the Reg
ister-Guard, was prominent on the
campus, receiving the Gerlinger
cup as outstanding junior woman,
and holding several AWS offices,
as well as positions on the upper j
news staff of the Emerald.
Other Spinsters on the dance
committee are Helen Veblen and
Lucile Skeie, tickets, Margaret I
A nn Smith and Frances Johnston, j
decorations. This dance is the only i
social event scheduled for the
night before Thanksgiving.
Campus Calendar
Phi Theta Epsilon will meet at
7 o’clock tonight on the third floor
of Gerlinger hall. All members
are requested to attend.
Emerald reporters meeting to
day at 4:30 in 104 Journalism.
Phi Beta members and pledges
will meet at 7 o’clock this evening
in Gerlinger hall.
Westminster dramatic club will
meet at 4 o'clock today at West
minster house.
Theta Sigma Phi meets at noon
today, at Anchorage. Fine for
non-attendance! Pledges not init
iated invited to attend.
Skull and Dagger meeting to
night at 7:30 in 104 Journalism
building. All members must be
i present.
Emerald day editors will meet
in the managing editor’s office at
4 o’clock this afternoon.
Sophomore Informal dirctorate
will meet today at 4 at the Col
lege Side.
Amawks meet at 5:45 tonight in
front of College Side.
Charm school meeting at the Chi
Omega house, 4:00 today.
Sophomore Informal directorate
pictures will be taken today at
room 115 Friendly at 11:50 a. m.
Prose and Poetry club meets at
7:30 tonight at the Kappa house.
Everyone invited.
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P. E. Club meeting tonight at
7:30 p. m. in social room, Gerlin
ger hall.
Soph Informal
Dance Slated
ForJanuaryl2
Don Thomas Appointed
General Chairman
Directorate Chosen
Two Meetings Scheduled;
Group Picture to Be
Taken Today
The Sophomore Informal, one of
the four big class dances held an
nually will be held this year on
Saturday, January 12. Don Thom
as, appointed general chairman at
the last sophomore class meeting
by A1 Davis, class president, an
nounced his committees last night
Originally fixed as December 1,
the date was postponed because of
the time falling too close to exams,
according to Thomas. “Also, we
shall have more time to plan the
dance in all details and to be sure
of a sucessful affair,” said Thomas.
Directorate Announced
The complete directorate con
sists of Dave Lowry, and Louise
Ruegnitz, assistant general chair
men; Betty Coon, secretary; Frank
Nash, chairman of decorations;
Frank Howland, assistant; Louis
Rotenberg, construction; Jim
Rummel, assistant; Cecil Barker,
programs; Ben Grout, orchestra;
Margery Kissling, patrons and pat
ronesses; Helen Dodds, refresh
ments; Newton Stearns, publicity;
Kermit Paulsen, ticket sales; Har
ry Campbell, finance; Bob Becker,
assistant.
The directorate will meet twice
today—once at 11:50 a. m. in room
115, Friendly hall, to have a pic
ture taken, and again at the Col
lege Side at 4 p. m. for a general
discussion meeting.
W.A.A. Sponsors
Posture Contest
Annual Health week, sponsored
by the women’s athletic associa
tion, was formally opend when the
senior pep patrol, composed of a
group of prominent senior women,
invaded a number of sorority
houses yesterday noon. Women’s
living organizations have chosen
contestants to compete in the post
ure contest at the campus tea to
be held on Friday, in Gerlinger hall
and the names will be announced
tomorrow.
Contestants from the sororitie.s
will be judged upon alignment,
poise and walk by Miss Harriet W.
Thompson, and Miss Maude Kerns,
Wednesday and Thursday of this
week.
The winner of the contest will be
announced by Dean of Women
Hazel P. Schwering at the tea.
Last year the contest was won by
Alpha Omicron Pi.
Assisting Roberta Mody, who is
chairman for the posture contest,
are Dorothy Rinehart; Jean Stev
enson, Eunice Elliott, Pauline
Moore and Margery Kissling.
Norris Talks on Energy
First in Science Series
Dr. Will V. Norris, associate pro
fessor of physics, will speak to
night at 7:30 in 103 Deady hall,
giving the first of a series of popu
lar science lectures to be given
monthly on the campus.
Dr. Norris’ topic will be “Ener
gy," illustrated by numerous lan
tern slides and by demonstrations
using equipment of the physics de
partment. Much of this equipment
is new and will be used to show
many of the newer discoveries.
Students, faculty members and
townspeople are invited to the lec
tures, which are free and do not
last more than one hour.
PROSECUTOR PRESSES CASE
CHICAGO, Nov. 19 — (AP) —
Hammering home the govern
ment’s case against Samuel Insull,
prosecutor Forest A. Harness told
the Insull mail fraud jury late to
day “every charge” had been
proved of a "monstrous scheme to
swindle.”
‘Pigger's Guide’ Being
Sold Note at Co-op for
Low Price of 15 Cents
rpiIE price for the student di
rectory, commonly called the
‘‘pigger's guide,” is only 15
cents instead of 25 cents, as
previously announced.
The publication is now being
sold at the Co-op. It contains
the names, addresses, and tele
phone numbers of all students
and faculty members, as well
as other useful information.
Five UO Students
To Compete for
Rhodes Awards
Examiuation of Applicants
Will Decide Northwest
Representatives
A total of 17 students, five of
whom represent the University, are
in the state Rhodes scholarship
competition, Professor S. Stephen
son Smith, a member of the state
examination committee, said yes
terday. Usually only 12 or 14 are
chosen to try for the scholarship.
Those selected from the Univer
sity are James W. Brooke, Irvin
Bartle Hill, Parks Hitchcock, Lloyd
Humphreys and John Caswell.
The applicants will go to Port
land Thursday, January 3, for the
examination to determine who will
represent Oregon in the district
composed of Washington, Oregon,
Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and
North Dakota. Four students from
this district will go to Oxford in
October, 1935.
Those on the examination board
are Dean E. Smith of Oregon State
college, chairman, Professor
Smith, secretary, F. D. Holman,
Tacoma attorney, and Prof. Bern
ard Noble and Prof Earl Pritchard,
both of Reed college.
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Alpha Delta Sigma
To Present Dance
Five pledges were chosen Friday
by Alpha Delta Sigma, national ad
vertising honorary. The men are:
Gordon Powell, Mel Johnson, Bill
Schloth, Stan Smith, and Jack
Campbell. Initiation for the so
ciety will be held in two weeks, It
was announced by Bill Russell,
president of the organization.
The Krazy Kopy Krawl, first
dance of the winter term, will be
held on January 12 instead of De
cember 12, as was announced in
the Emerald Saturday. Ralph
Schomp has been appointed chair
man of the affair.
The motif for the occasion will
be patterned after “Esquire,” it
was announced.
Miss Bloomer to Talk
At Women’s Club Meet
Miss Ruth Bloomer, instructor
of physical education, will be the
speaker at a professional meeting
of the physical education club for
women, Tuesday evening at 7:15
in the social room of Gerlinger
hall.
"Dancing and Bennington Col
lege" will be the topic of Miss
Bloomer’s talk.
L%*ators Meet
In Discussion
Of Peace Pact
Chancellor Scluischnigg
Invites Neighboring
Stales to Join
Slander Denounced
Foreign Misinterpretation
Of Austrian Policy
Is Alleged
HOME, Nov. 19— (AP)— Chan
cellor Kurt Schuschnigg of Aust
ria, who conferred again this
afternoon with Premier Mussolini,
publicly delivered a vigorous de
nunciation of foreign circles which
slander Austria's situation and her
aims.
At the same time, however, he
invited Austria’s neighbors, in
cluding Germany, to join an Italo
Austro-Hungarian pact for the
sake of economic and political
peace in central Europe.
Facts Juggled
In both cases he was speaking
directly of Germany and the little
entente.
“Some circles,” he said in an in
terview' with the associated press,
"arrive at an evaluation of our pol
icy which does not correspond to
the facts.
Intention Suspicion!1;!
“This evaluation places our in
tentions under suspicion. It arouses
opposition tow'ard Austria. This
criticism --anything but objective
—descends even to the grossest
calumny. In this phenomenon I
cannot discover anything but a de
plorable lack of understanding of
what economic collaboration
means.”
The Chancellor said the proto
cols of the League of Nations “re
veal in the best way possible that
Austria already collaborates in the
economic and cultural field with
all the states which feel the same
need for reciprocal integration in
intellectual and material matters.
Invites Nations
“Behind those, our good disposi
tions to participate in common ef
forts and to reanimate economic
and cultural relations with other
states, no political aims are hid
den.”
Previously, the Chancellor dis
closed he had issued an invitation
to Germany, Yugoslavia, Czecho
slovakia, and Rumania to join the
Italo-Austro-Hungarian pact. He
said Italy was not interfering in
the internal affairs of Austria and
“has never interpreted her rela
tions with Austria in the sense of
a protectorate.”
CORRECTION
Because of an error it w'as an
nounced Saturday that Irvin Hill
was president of Alpha Kappa Psi,
mens’ business administration hon
orary. Clark Irwin is the real presi
dent this year.
Guild Theater Play Crook
Lacks Success in Calling
tiTCORK over your purse? Aw—
well, I—yah. Here ’tis. But
there wasn’t any harm ir> trying
to take it, now was there?” came
the ingratiating while of Cootes
(Bill Schloth), sneaking crook in
the play “Leave it to Psmith,”
which is to be produced this Fri
day and Saturday evenings in the
Guild theater.
With a furtive air he looked |
around, then whimpered: “You’re
not going to call the bulls, are
you? No? Gee, that’s swell. But
then you looked like a kind-heart
ed person from the very first. You
know, England is kind of funny.
I’ve never been to the place before,
but it sure doesn’t compare with
dear old Chicago.”
Cootes then straightened his
flashily-colored tie with care and
pushed his derby to one side of
his head before resuming the con
versation. "This place hasn’t such
a hot layout for a guy to get a
good living,” he continued, “but
then I’m just here on a vacation— !
sort of a forced vacation, to be
exact. Hey, what are you so in
terested in me for? You’re not a
detective or something are you?”
Upon being assured to the con
trary, Cootes dropped his suspi
cious manner and became very af
fable. “Gee, for a minute you had
me worried. Say maybe you could
help me. I've got the slickest idea
how to pick some easy money.
What is it ? Well, there’s some
honest to gosh ice—you know, dia
monds—out at a dump called
Blandings Castle, so I kind of
thought I’d ankle out there and
look around. How’d you like to
help me? We could split fifty
fifty? No? Well, that’s perfectly
O.K. by me.”
As he was turning to go, Cootes
seemed to be inspired by a brilliant
idea all of a sudden. "You don't
happen to have an extra ten spot
that you don’t want, do you?” he
inquired. “No?” That’s all right,
but there was no harm in asking,
was there now?”