NUMBER 11
freshmen to
Elect Officers
Today at Y Hut
Launch Intensive Drive
On Last Day
A. S. U. O. PRESIDES
Parades, Airplanes, Fireworks and
Dance Feature Both
Campaigns
The freshman class will elect of
ficers today. The polls will be
opened at 9 o’clock this morning,
and immediately after the polls
are closed at 3 o’clock, the ballots
will be counted. The ballot boxes
will be placed in the “Y” hut, and
voting will be done by secret bal
lot.
During the final day of cam
paigning no changes were reported
by either of the two parties in the
field.
The campaign was quiet until
yesterday, when both parties
started a last-minute drive for
votes. The “Dimmick for presi
dent” party started with a parade
at noon through the campus and
past the various living groups,
meanwhile showering the campus
with plane-dropped handbills.
The “Hammond for president”
group retaliated by dropping of
hand bills from an airplane at 2
o’clock, a dance on the S. A. E.
tennis court from 6:30 to 7:15, and
a parade at 7:20.
The political fates of the fol
lowing candidates will rest in the
hands of today’s voters:
Fred Hammond, president; Jean
Stevenson, vice-president; Marjo
rie Smith, secretary; and Cy Cook,
treasurer.
Tom Dimmick, president; Jean
Burnett, vice-president; Dorothy
Reinhart, secretary; and Bob
Knapp, treasurer.
Neal Bush, vice-president of the
A. S. U. O., in charge of the elec
tion, has appointed the following
as commissioners at today’s polls:
from 9 to 10, A1 Nielsen and Mir
iam Henderson; from 10 to 11,
Bob Zurcher, Elsie Peterson, Ed
Schweiker, and Louise Barclay;
from 11 to 12, John Kendall, Helen
Shive, Louise Barclay, and Bill
Davis; from 12 to 1, Jerry Dens
low and Bill Paddock; from 1 to
2, Ruth Byerly, Harold Birkin
shaw, and Dick Near; from 2 to
3, Harold Birkinshaw, A1 Nielsen,
and Bill Neighbor.
Morris Appointed
Board Chairman
Dr. Victor P. Morris, professor
of economics at the University,
has been appointed chairman of
an educational commission on the
finance and organization of ele
mentary and high schools in the
state of Oregon, it was made
known over the week-end.
Creation of the board was au
thorized by the state legislature.
The commission will investigate
the present system of schools and
report to the legislature at the
1935 session.
Appointments made by Gover
nor Meier to other positions on
the commission include: E. A. Mc
Cornack, Eugene; E. G. Bates,
Gearhart; Mrs. A. Y. Myers,
Marshfield; Frances V. Galloway,
The Dalles; T. D. Potwin, Albany;
and John C. Kendall, Portland.
Service on the commission is be
ing done without pay,' although
some funds have been placed at
the disposal of the investigators
for carrying out the work.
I\o Classes Dismissed
On Saturday for Game
According to Onthank
No classes will be dismissed
for the Washington-Oregon
, game in Seattle this Saturday,
according to Dean Onthank,
personnel director. Students
may be excused from individ
ual classes if the professor per
mits, but there will be no gen
eral dismissal.
All classes will be dismissed
for the Homecoming game in
Eugene, and also for the Ore
gon-Oregon State game in
Portland.
Representatives
For AFU Chosen
In 1934 Campaign
Members of Organization Acquaint
Many in State With
U. of O. Program
J. R. Hughes and his daughter,
Mona Hughes, are to be the offi
cial representatives of the Asso
ciated Friends of the University
of Oregon in the 1934 member
ship campaign which starts this
week, according to Dr. Irvin R.
Fox, president of the organiza
tion.
During the past summer A. F.
U. O. work was highly successful,
resulting in an increase in new
students of between 8 and 11 per
cent, the decrease in total enroll
ment being due to the loss of up
perclassmen.
Dr. Fox stated that the purpose
of the Associated Friends is to
contact all high school graduates
in the state and acquaint them
with the educational program of
fered at the University.
“We hope to establish in the
minds of the people of Oregon to
send their children to Oregon in
stitutions of higher learning. Our
greatest loss in students this year
was probably due to the fact that
many high school students went
out of the state for their college
training,” Dr. Fox declared.
In connection with this aim,
during the past summer the or
ganization published and sent out
a small newspaper telling of the
educational opportunities offered
by the University to 10,000 high
school graduates in the state.
Dr. Fox emphasized the fact
that summer memberships to the
A. F. U. O. were cancelled at the
epd of September. New member
ship cards will be issued and will
be stamped with the year “1934.”
Memberships within Eugene are
expected to reach at least 5,000.
The price of the ticket is 25 cents.
Former Music Student
Awarded Scholarship
Gifford Nash, Eugene, a student
here last year has been awarded
a scholarship in music valued at
$2,000, given by the Juilliard foun
dation, according to word received
here recently.
Nash is now studying in New
York, and will continue his studies
for the remainder of the year. The
scholarship covers both tuition and
private instruction.
He has appeared here several
times as a bass soloist.
Sophomore Is Elected
President of Y.M.C.A.
Cosgrove LaBarre, sophomore,
has been elected president of the
Y.M.C.A. at the cabinet meeting
held last night. LaBarre succeeds
Leslie Dunton who was elected to
the office last spring, but is unable
to take'it this year,,
LaBarre is president of the Skull
and Dagger and was chairman of
the Frosh commission of the Y. M
C. A.
Red-Headed Candidate Irish
Sans Temper and Freckles
She is red-headed an<J part Irish
—but she’s upset the rest of the
rule. For Peggy Carper, the only
red-haired girl of the five candi
dates for Oregon’s All-American
girl, does not have the traditional
temper! Instead, she’s very calm
and easy going, and not at all giv
en to the bursts of fury that char
acterize the red-heads of the com
ic strip.
And another thing—she doesn't
have the freckles which so often
accompany red hair. Her skin is
perfectly clear, and very fair. So
there's another rule she’s broken.
Peggy Carper, when I talked to
her, was perched on the edge of
a couch, balancing herself with
one hand, and holding a woolen dog
in the other. She wore a bright1
colored dress, which, seen off her,
would be expected to clash with
her hair, but which, amazingly
didn’t.
“I’m five feet, six and three
fourths inches tall,” she announced,
stating it as if she’d said it many
times before. And she has, I dis
covered, for just a year and a half
ago she was chosen as May Queen
at Grant high school—the school
from which she graduated last
June. Both then and now she has
felt the same about her selection
—she’s been very pleased (and
very surprised), but rather hesi
tant about all the questions and
the publicity.
“And what do you weight?”
“About 115 pounds, now," she
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Rules, Prizes
For Dad’s Day
Officially Cited
Committee Meets; Think
Many Will Come
. fo l * • . 0
HOPE FOR SMOKER
Students Urged to Write Home,
Inviting Parents
Personally
Rules and regulations governing
Dad's day awards were released
by the dean of men’s office at a
meeting of the Dad’s Day executive
committee yesterday afternoon.
The complete program for Dad’s
day, October 20 and 21, was dis
cussed by the directorate.
Rules regarding the prizes are:
The base membership of an or
ganization from which will be com
puted the percentage of dads re
turning shall be the official house
membership list submitted at the
beginning of fall term to the dean’s
offices by the presidents of the va
rious organizations.
Only members actually living in
the organization’s residence are
counted.
(a) Fraternity men and women
living in the halls of residence are
to be considered members of such
halls for purposes of this compe
tition.
(b) Fraternity men and women
living with parents or relatives in
Eugene and not actually living in
their respective fraternity houses
are not included in the house mem
bership for purposes of this com
petition.
Only such dads as are officially
registered at 4 p. m. Saturday,
October 24, will be credited to or
ganizations for purposes of this
competition.
Dads having both a son and a
daughter, or sons and daughters,
in competing organizations will be
credited to each such organization.
Legal guardians will be consid
ered dads for purposes of the com
petition.
The prizes will be annually
awarded and will rotate for year
to year until won three itmes by
the same living organization,
whereupon they become the per
manent property of such organiza
tion.
Prizes will be awarded Saturday,
October 24, at the annual Dad’s
Day banquet.
raui vv. Ager, comptroller, will
audit the computations of the reg
istration committee and will de
termine the prize winning houses.
Students are urged to co-oper
ate by having their dads register
as the first official act upon their
arrival in Eugene. Registration
booths will be in the first floor
lobby of the Administration build
ing, and will open Friday from 10
to 4 p. m. and Saturday from 9
a. m. to 12 and from 1 to 4 p. m.
Smoker Planned
At the meeting yesterday, Mar
shall Wright, chairman of the com
mittee, stated that the smoker,
planned for the dads Saturday af
ternoon, October 21, would be dis
cussed at a meeting of the physical
education board today at 1 o’clock.
Wright said that Paul R. Washke,
supervisor of the men’s gym, yes
terday indicated that he was in
favor of the proposed smoker.
Tom Clapp, advertising chair
man, reported that all fathers of
University students have been in
vited to attend, and general invi
tations have been mailed. Dads
from all parts of the state and
many from other states have al
ready signified their intention of
coming for the event.
Clapp, however urged all stu
dents to write home inviting their
dads and parents, personally.
Committee Named
Gail McCredie, banquet chairman
announced that of the committee
appointed to assist her, Kay New
ell would have charge of the serv
ing; Adele Sheehy, decorations;
and Bob Dodge, checking.
Wright said yesterday that new
officers for the Oregon Dads for
the coming year would be elected
at the annual meeting, Saturday,
October 21.
Present officers of the organiza
tion are: W. Lair Thompson, Port
land, president, Thomas H.
Tongue, Jr., Hillsboro, vice-presi
dent; Earle Wellington, Portland,
executive secretary; Palmer L.
Fales, Charles C. Hall, Arthur G.
Fields, Edgar W. Smith, Roy T.
Bishop, Kenneth Beebe, all of
Portland; Merle R. Chessman, As
toria; Carl Haberlach, Tillamook,
members of the executive commit
tee.
Tickets for Saturday
Game at Seattle to Be
On Sale Till Thursday
Thursday is the last day to
get tickets here for the Oregon
Washington football game, N.
T. Stoddard, assistant graduate
manager stressed yesterday.
Tickets now on sale at the
Co-op and the A.S.U.O. offices
in McArthur court, will be sent
to Seattle after that day.
Good reserved seats at $2.20
and student tickets at $1.00 are
still available, Stoddard said.
Grill Rooms Are
Held for Oregon
Fans After Game
Couples Urged to Sign for Gala
Affair Here to Help
Escape Rush
Plans for a dance for Oregon'
supporters at the Olympic hotel
in Seattle following the football
game Saturday night were being
formulated by a group of students
yesterday.
Remembering the difficulty with
which tables at the better grills
were obtained two years ago, a
group headed by Ike Donin and
Roy Craft wired the Olympic man
ager . yesterday and received the
assurance that Oregon students
would be given preference for Sat
urday night.
A block of tables for 50 couples
ar» being held pending word from
Eugene. Those interested in join
ing the party are urged to get in
touch with Donin. The early res
ervations of Oregon students will
make it possible for the Webfoots
to dance together in Seattle Satur
day night and it is hoped the af
fair will follow the lines of the af
fair at the St. Francis in San Fran
cisco following the Oregon-St.
Mary’s game last year.
About 20 couples had signed up
late last night. “We anticipate a
properly organized party and one
which all Webfoot fans will be
glad to join," says Donin. “Nobody
is gettig a cut on this but every
body will have to pay for his own
table.’’
Council of Y. M. C. A.
Will Meet in Portland
The Pacific Northwest Field
council of the Y.M.C.A. will meet
in Portland, during next week-end,
October 13, 14, 15. This council is'
the administration body of the Y.
M. C. A. throughout the North
west:
Those who will attend this coun
cil from the University of Oregon
are: Dr. N. L. Bossing, chairman
of the Y.M.C.A. advisory board,
Eugene Stromberg, secretary of
the Y, and Bill Gearhart, vice
president of the northwest council.
Dr. ‘Norman F. Coleman, presi
dent of Reed college, in Portland
will be one of the principal speak
ers.
Dr. Bossing to Attend
YMCA Council Meeting
Dr. N. L. Bossing, professor of
education, will attend the meeting
of the National Field council of
the Y.M.C.A. in Portland this
week, Friday to Sunday.
Dr. Bossing is chairman of the
executive committee of the field
council. Tentative plans for next
summer's student conference will
be drawn up.
Representatives from Oregon,
Washington, Idaho and Montana
will attend the meeting. The exe
cutive committee meeting will be
in conjunction with the field meet
ing.
Seattle Consul
To Tell Phases
| Of Nazi Regime
| Dr. W. L. Reinhart Will
Speak at Villard
KNOWN ON CAMPUS
International Relations- Club ° Is
Sponsoring Appearance
Tomorrow Night
Dr. W. L. Reinhart, German con
sul in Seattle, will speak tomor
row night in Villard assembly on
“The Ideas and Principles Govern
ing Present Day Germany.” Uni
versity students and faculty, and
the general public are invited to
attend this lecture.
Having kept himself in close
contact with German affairs, po
litical and economic, despite the
fact that he has been in this coun
try for some time, Dr. Reinhart
should present opinions that should
be interesting to many students on
the campus.
Dr. Reinhart has several ac
quaintances on the campus, Dr. F.
G. G. Schmidt, head of German
language and literature, is his per
sonal friend. The majority of
these acquaintances was made
when Dr. Reinhart was consul in
Portland.
It is understood that he will be
leaving for Germany in the near
future, having been recalled pre
sumably to fill a similar position
in some other country.
The International Relations club,
of which Dr. Victor P. Morris of
the economics department is chair
man, is sponsoring this meeting,
and plans in connection with the
personnel offices to present va
rious speakers from different
countries from time to time. Dr.
Reinhart will speak on the Ger
man poet, Goethe, at some later
date.
Charter Granted
To Beta Lambda,
Local Honorary
Members of School of Science
Will Need B Average
To Be Eligible
Beta Lambda, scientific research
honorary, has been granted a char
ter as Alpha Mu chapter of Phi
Sigma, national biological frater
nity, it was announced last night
by Margaret Litscher, president of
the campus organization. The in
stallation will be held at Memorial
Union hall on the O.S.C. campus
at 4 p. m. Saturday, Nov. 18, with
Dr. Melville H. Hatch, University
of Washington, as installig offi
cer.
Following the installation will
be a banquet in the Memorial hall
at which Dr. Hatch who is the
vice-chancellor of Phi Sigma, will
give the main address.
Members of the school of sci
ence of the Oregon system of high
er education from either the Uni
versity of Oregon State having at
least a B average are eligible for
election to the-Phi Sigma.° Alpha
Mu chapter will have a group on
gach campus, the main one being
at Corvallis although Beta Lambda
was founded at the University of
Oregon in 1931 from the remains
of Samara, a women’s botany hon
orary which was then 15 years old
on the Oregon campus. When the
science courses were re-allocated
a branch chapter was formed at
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Campus Calendar
The rally committee will meet
at 4 o’clock today at the Sigma
Chi house to discuss rally plans.
All freshmen interested in fresh
man yell leader positions report at
the wrestling room of the men’s
gym Thursday at 4 o’clock.
Asklepiads will hold a short
meeting tonight at 7:15 at the Phi
Psi house.
Independent women will meet a
week from tonight instead of to
night.
Alpha Kappa Psi, professional
fraternity in business administra
tion, will meet this afternoon at
4 o’clock in 106 Commerce hall.
Kappa Sigma announces the
pledging of Maurice Van Vliet.
Speakers’ committee will meet
today at 5 p. m. upstairs in the
College Side.
“La Corrida de Todos,” the cam
pus Spanish club, will meet to
night at 7:45 in the Y. W. hut.
All students interested in Spanish
or the activities of the club are
invited to attend. The program
will consist of Spanish group sing
ing and other musical numbers.
Y. W. C. A. office girls will be
entertained at a bridge tea Friday
from 4 to 6 at the Y. bungalow.
English make-up exams for
freshmen will be held today at 4
is 107 Villard.
There will be a meeting of the
Master Dance group at 7:30 to
night at Gerlinger hall.
Y.W.C.A. Battle Provo1 es
Statements From Factions;
Both Viewpoints Presented
I
Resignation of
Officer Fourth
° ° o J
Since Monday
Treasurer of Cabinet
Quits Post
FIGHT OYER BUDGET
Mary Snider Last to Leave Group;
Three Former Members Explain
Reasons for Actions
Mary Snider, treasurer of the
Y. W. C. A. cabinet, resigned yes
terday following the resignations
Monday of Jean Failing, Gwen
Elsemore, and Marygolde Hardi
son, former cabinet members.
Thus only one elective officer of
the cabinet, Helen Binford, presi
dent, remains.
Resignations were due to a dis
pute over this year’s budget. Re
signing members claimed that the
proposed budget did not balance.
The salary paid the part-time sec
retary was one of the principal
reasons for the break in the coun
cil.
Miss Failing Comments
Late last night, Miss Failing
made the following statement to
the Emerald regarding her resig
nation from the cabinet:
“I am at a loss to understand,
if the first statement made by the
Y. W, C. A. expresses the opinion
of the group as a whole toward
my influence on the cabinet, why
I have not been asked to resign
at a much earlier date, as I have
been a member of that group since
spring term, 1932.
"I would like to question if, as
is 3tated by the Y. W. C. A., my
dissension has been destructive
and not constructive, why they
have found it advisable since my
resignation to follow the sugges
non to cut the budget in the two
items of salary and national stu
dent council, which I so strongly
supported. I would say from this
standpoint at least they have
found one suggestion to have been
either necessary or constructive.
“I was informed by Mary Sni
der, treasurer, that all efforts of
students to bring the recommen
dation concerning the budget re
ductions before the finance com
mittee Thursday were side
tracked, and was also informed by
Margaret Norton, executive secre
tary, Sunday night, that they had
not considered the recommenda
tion in the meeting, although we
had been assured that this would
be brought to the att'ehtion0 of
that committee.
“Concerning the statement made
by the Y. W. C.„A. about® the dis
cussion of the Y. W. C. A. being
considered a political organization,
I would like to call to the0 atten
tion of that group the fact that
statement was presented as a dis
cussion topic with a view to find
ing ^ solution for the statement
and that they were given every
opportunity to contradict that
statement before the delegates at
the A. W. S. planning conference.
“I am unable to understand, if
the Y. W. C. A. believes that I
was only on the cabinet for po
litical reasons, why I was asked
to return on that group this year
by the president. I cannot con
ceive why they felt themselves ob
ligated to ask a person whom they
believe to have only a political
interest in their organization to
serve on the executive cabinet a
second year.”
Miss Snider Speaks
Mary E. Snider, cabinet treas
urer, who resigned yesterday, gave
this statement to the Emerald last
night regarding the dispute:
“I was informed by the presi
dent of the Y. W. C. A., Helen
Binford, at the last cabinet meet
ing, that I was to act as chairman
of the finance committee that was j
meeting on Thursday and as such
I received the recommendation
concerning the budget reduction
from the cabinet, which I was to
submit to the committee. At the
finance meeting the chairmanship
was assumed by the visiting re
gional secretary, Miss Helen Price.
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PROPOSED Y. W. C. A.
BUDGET
j Note: This budget is the re
vised budget under which* the
Y. W. C. A. now proposes to
operate this year. It does not
"include money derived from
Eugene townswomen who sup
port the Y. W. C. A.’s activi
ties, which is added to the fig
j ure given below as “salary"
for the secretary.
Income
Student drive .$440.00
Projects . 150.00
Bungalow rent from non
campus organizations. 50.00
International store, candy
counter, etc. 70.00
$710.00
Expenses
Salary .$350.00
Bungalow:
Taxes . 24.50
Water . 30.00
Gas . 9.50
Telephone . 25.00
Emergencies, repairs. 25.00
Insurance . 30.00
Association:
National Student Council 85.00
N. S. C. F. 5.00
Office and finance . 50.00
Social . 15.00
Art and service . 10.00
Conferences . 35.00
$700.00
Travel Group to Give
Tea at 5, Wednesday
Travel group of Philomelete will
give a tea tomorrow afternoon at
5 o'clock in the A. W. S. room in
Mary Spiller hall.
This is the first meeting of the
group this year, and everyone in
terested in belonging to the group
is invited to attend the tea, which
is being held under the direction
of Margaret Stauff, president.
Membership in Travel group,
which is one of the Philomelete
hobby groups, sponsored by Phi
Theta Upsilon, is open to all wo
men on the campus.
j Three U. of O. Women
Attending Portland Tea
Dean Hazel P. Schwering, Mrs.
Wayne Morse, and Mrs. Alice Mac
duff, are all attending the tea giv
en in Portland by the University
of Oregon mothers for the mothers
of the freshman women who have
just enrolled in school this year.
Dean Schwering will also attend
the American Association of Uni
versity Women's state tea which is
being held in LaGrande Friday and
Saturday of this week. She will be
away approximately a week. Mrs
Schwering has been asked to give
a talk on A.A.U.W: lcfans and°hovV
they are haiftlfed in Eugene.
Carl Gregory, Oregon
Graduate, Takes Bride
Carl Gregory, 1930 graduate of
the University of Oregon, was
married on September 16 to Miss
Agnes Bullard of Oregon City.
Gregflry is the circulation mana
ger of the Oregon City Enterprise,
and writes: “Here, There, and Ev
erywhere," a weekly feature.
While in the University Gregory
was affiliated with Sigma Delta
Chi, national professional frater
nity in journalism.
Chief Official
Defends Group
From Charges
I %
I
| Cabinet Prexy Denies
Accusations
SUPPORT IS PLEDGED
Budge Not Only Cause of Dispute,
Says Helen Binford; Influence
Declared Destructive
Helen Binford, president of the
campus Y.W.C.A., yesterday de
fended the actions of the Y.W.C.A.
cabinet against the charges
brought by Jean Failing, Gwen
Elsemore, and Marygolde Hardi
son, resigned members of the cab
inet.
At a meeting of the cabinet yes
terday, the 15 members, together
with several Seabeck delegates and
interested persons, expressed their
support to the policy of Helen Bin
ford and Geraldine Hickson, presi
dent of the association and presi
dent of the upperclass commission,
respectively.
Statement Issued
Miss Binford and Miss Hickson
issued the following statement:
j.. tsoin jean failing and Gwen
Elsemore were requested to resign
from the Y. W. C. A. cabinet be
cause of their lack of interest in
the furthering of the organization,
and not solely because of disagree
ment about the budget. Their de
structive influence was felt in the
organization before any discussion
of the budget was brought up.
2. The dissention which they
made on the cabinet was destruc
tive rather than constructive and
therefore had to be remedied.
3. The so-called oudget which „
was placed before the cabinet “Was
not a budget, but only a» list of
possible expenditures ;and,incomes,
and did not include any .contribu
tions which had then -been made
and which amounted io oyer $100,
more than enough to balance the
expenditures n.
4. The suggestions for budget
reduction weje definitely not “side
tracked" as stated to the Emerald
by Miss Elsemere, but referred to
the finaftce committee within the
next thrge days. At their two-hour
session, all pecommendadtions were
cdnsidered, arid each item on the
budget was validated.
fS. At the close of the finance
committee’s meeting, the budget
was more than balanced, with a
surplus, and the committee decided
that furthe’ nsideration of the
budget by . . ibinet should be
postponed until the budget was in
linal form, which would be after
the next finance committee meet
ing. The budget as it now stands,
is published in accompaniment to
this article.
6. The dollars which the stu
dents contribute to the Y. W. C. A.
go directly to salary, upkeep of
bungalow, and to program facili
ties. We do not feel that our “so
licitations for pledges are unwar
ranted” when all contributions to
the association are voluntary, and
the program set-up for the Y. W.
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Haunted Delt Ford Will Fall
Under Auctioneer’s Hammer
By ELINOR HENRY
“Going . . . going . . Simul
taneously a crash anil a shout—
“Gone!” Then the momentous
question “How far?”
Charles Moore, self-confessed
owner of the Delt crate, declares
that it runs, that everything on it
runs, but that he can't stand the
hot white light of publicity which
has been turned on his once be
loved “Carmen” (He told us "Ag
nes” before, but that’s a small
matter).
The auction is scheduled for 8:50
Friday morning in front of the
Co-op. (Make it ten minutes to
nine if you like.) Prior to the
mounting on the block of the an
cient relic (It’s been mounted
everywhere else, so why not?), a
very short trial run will be made
for the benefit of interested pos
sible purchasers—and others.
While the celebrated bones will
not be included in the sale, even
as extras, an A-number one ghost
is guaranteed to knock frequently.
Other accessories include splendid
examples of early 20th cfcntfiry
carriage lamps.
The Delts suggest Carmen as a
delightful and expensive way of
attending the Oregon-Washington
game in Seattle this week-end.
They still hope to persuade Car
men's older brother Scruggs to
hold together long enough to take
them there.