Oregon daily emerald. (Eugene, Or.) 1920-2012, February 10, 1932, Image 1

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    VOLUME XXXIII
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UNIVERSITY OF OREGON. EUGENE, WEDNESDAY. FEBRUARY 10, 1932
NUMBER 72
Ball Directors
Receive Praise
From Robnett
Allen's Work as Head Is
Commended
Expenses Lowest in Years,
Avers Assistant Graduate
Manager
‘‘Bob Allen and his committee
did an extraordinary piece of
work,” Ronald H. (Doc) Robnett,
assistant graduate manager, told
the Emerald last night, in report
ing the financial success of the
1932 Senior ball.
From the standpoint of good
management, and the financial re
sults achieved, this year’s ball was
one of the most successful campus
dances put on in recent years, Rob
nett said. The figures show it to
be the least expensive Senior ball
since the graduate manager’s
office took over supervision of such
functions several years ago.
The dance was given at a cost
of $130 less than that of the pre
vious yeas, Robnett reported. The
price of tickets was reduced from
$2.00 to $1.50.
“With the advantage of a decline
in prices, and through commend
able zeal in overseeing little ex
penditures, Allen and his helpers
saved $100 on the budget appro
priated for this year’s ball. Ex
penses were whittled down, item
by item, simply through good
management. At the same time,
the dance itself has been univer
sally acclaimed as a remarkably
good one.
“A great deal of good judgment
and careful supervision went into
the work of putting on this win
ter’s Senior ball. In the high de
gree of personal attention which
they gave to the handling of the
various details, Bob Allen and his i
committee set a fine example for
student management of functions
of this kind,” Robnett said.
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Announcement of Travel
Study Received by Mez
Dr. John R. Mez, professor of
economics and political science,
has just received an announce
ment of the International Econom
ic institute of Boston, Mass., re
garding the travel study which
that organization is conducting
this coming summer through study
centers of Europe. Those urged to
join this tour are college professors
and mature students who are in
terested in studying the commer
cial and financial problems of Eur
ope, Dr. Mez said.
The four resident study centers
elected by the association are Lon
don, Frankfurt, Paris, and Geneva.
In each of these cities local lead
ers, government officials and mem
bers of the faculties of the local
universities will cooperate with
the American leaders of the insti-;
tute. Lectures will be given in
which the economic, financial and
social problems of the respective
countries visited will be discussed.
Psych Assistant
Studying Traits
Of On ly-Children
WANTED: 50 women students,
! must be minus brothers and sis
ters; 50 male students, ditto; also
50 women students, must have
brothers or sisters, but must not
be the first or last born of the
family; likewise, 50 men of the
same status.
Such a notice might well be
posted outside Condon hall, for
Albert Campbell, graduate assis
tant in psychology, is seeking 200
students, in the classifications
listed above, for the purpose of
carrying out an experiment com
paring social and personality traits
of the average ‘'only child” with
those of the child born into the
large family.
The popular belief that the only
child has characteristics distin
guishing him from other children
is the supposition which will under
go scrutiny at Campbell's hands.
Already 38 male only-children
have taken the test, and a some
what smaller number of females,
mostly from the psychology lab
oratory classes.
Campbell will be busy for the
next few days telephoning stu
dents who fit his needs. The sub
jects chosen will merely be re
quested to fill out two forms; one
the Annoyance test devised by
Hulsey Cason, Ph.D., and the other
the Personality inventory, pre
pared by Robert G. Bernreuter.
The whole experiment takes less
than half an hour per student.
“All information is being kept
strictly confidential,’’ Campbell
gave assurance. “There are no
wrong answers, and no implica
tions of good or bad in the results.
I have found that all students have
been glad to cooperate in gather
ing the data.” 1
An attempt will be made to bal- J
ance the only-child group against
the other group in social status. '
For this purpose, the father’s oc- '
cupation will be used as the cri- !
terion of judgment.
Classic Language Schools
To Be Hosts to Dramatists
Greek and Latin departments
will entertain the dramatic de
partment today at 3 o’clock in
room 107 at Oregon hall in ac
knowledgment of the recent pro
duction of “Trojan Women.” Mrs.
ttilie Seybolt, director, and the
play’s cast of 30 students will be
guests of the occasion.
Mrs. Edna V. Landros, of the
Latin department, will preside and
deliver the prologue. Prof. Fred
eric S. Dunn, of the Latin depart
ment, will given an illustrated lec
ture on “The Trojan Cycle,” which
will include portraitures of Euripi
des and Seneca, and the Dionysiac
theatre and the characters in the
several plays involved.
CARLTON VISITS SCHOOL
E. F. Carlton, editor of the Ore
gon State Teachers Journal and
secretary of the Oregon State
Teachers 'association, was at the
University school of education yes
terday collecting material and
making observations for some ar
ticles which will appear in the next
issue of the Journal.
New Head of Hendricks Hall
Enjoys Bird Study, Hobbies
Studying birds, collecting an as
sortment of all sizes of porcelain
dogs, and presenting puppet shows
are the hobbies of Miss Zona
Owen, new head resident at Hen
dricks hall.
“I became interested in bird
study while I was playground di
rector in one of the city play
grounds at Palo Alto,” Miss Owen
said. “Knowing that the children
would enjoy having a better ac
quaintance with their feathered
friends, we first started with bird
hikes. Later, an Audubon society
was organized. Since there is a
large variety of birds in that coun
try, we began to recognize their
songs as well as to distinguish the
birds that we saw on our walks."
Miss Owen has cot gone into the
study of ornithology in a scientific
manner as yet, buts he reads aboi^,
birds and goes into the woods with
field glasses to discover the more
timid ones.
It was also at the playground in
Palo Alto that she first became
i interested in puppet shows. “I di
rected the construction and pre
sentation of the shows,” she re
marked. ‘‘The children made the
marionettes and scenery them
selves and we produced ‘Red Rid
ing Hood,’ and ‘Hansel and Gretel.’
It was fun to have the characters
of these childhood tales come alive
before us.
‘‘Let me show you my dogs,”
Miss Owen said. The reporter was
led into her room and she had to
blink twice, as a miniature dog
show was before her. And what
names! Two bulldogs with the
names of Lucky and Strike; oth
ers with names of Socrates, and J.
P. and one of the so-called mod
ernistic dogs that claimed to have
been named “Nurtz.”
With these hobbies, plus taking
the role as a big sister to every
one—a smile, an encouraging word
—Miss Owen finds time to read
her favorite books, and wonders
how one can ever become bored
with life.
Washington’s
Bi-Centennial
To Be Honored
Assembly on Morning of
22ml Is Planned
‘Father of Country’s’ Birth
Anniversary Will Be
Observed Here
A mammoth patriotic assembly
of University students and towns
people is to be held at McArthur
court on the morning- of February
22 as part of the campus celebra
tion of the bi-centennial of the
birth of George Washington, it was
announced yesterday by Dan E.
Clark, chairman of the University
George Washington celebration
committee.
Plans for the convocation took
form yesterday afternoon at a
meeting of the sub-committee,
through which the announcement
was made, and include an address
by Burt Brown Barker, vice-presi
dent of the University.
Band Will Appear
The University concert band
will open the program at 10:30
with patriotic airs, music popular
in Revolutionary days, and other
band selections in a half-hour
concert.
Hugh E. Rosson, graduate man
ager, will sepak in behalf of the
Associated Students, and a repre
sentative of the city of Eugene
will introduce Vice-president Bar
ker.
An invitation to all civic an3
patriotic organizations to join with
the students for this assembly has
been extended by the campus com
mittee, stated the announcement,
expressing the hope that “all stu
dents and organizations will join
in this tribute to Washington.”
House Managers
Will Offer Display
Of Foods Friday
Next Friday afternoon if you
feel like drinking a cup of hot
coffee, just drop in at the Y. M,
C. A. hut. If you don’t, drop in
anyway, announces the House
Managers’ association, which is
putting on a display and demon
stration of foods there from 2 to
8 p. m.
The show is intended to give
students an idea of the large vari
ety of foods available here, accord
ing to Lloyd Sherrill, campus
agent of the association. Special
emphasis will be placed on Oregon
products, and one section will be
devoted to goods canned by the
local cannery. Dairy products will
be demonstrated. One display will
show the different grades of
canned goods. Specialty items and
goods new on the market will also
be included.
“We’re not promoting any indi
vidual or firm,” Sherrill said last
night. “Education, not promotion,
is our aim.”
Special invitations to house
mothers for demi-tasse from 3 to
3:30 are to be issued by the dean
of women.
Guild To Hear Discussion
On Chinese Life Changes
Westminster guild, in continuing
its study of China, will meet to
night to hear Alice M. Redetzke
speak on “What the Industrial Rev
olution Has Done for Chinese So
cial Life.”
In addition, Miss Helen Whita
ker, who has been employed in
missionary service in China for the
past five years under the Presby
terian Board of Missions as teach
er in the Fuh Siang Middle school
for girls, will exhibit a new ship
ment of handwork in linen done by
Chinese women.
INFIRMARY HAS SIX
There were six students con
fined in the infirmary Tuesday.
Betty Ball was released from the
infirmary, and Robert Brown was
, re-admitted. Ronald Rew, Chuck
Jones, John Peterson, Lowell Mo
bley, Robert Brown, and Ben Vi
tou are now confined.
University Wesley Society
Cited By Japan Foundation
Foreign Group Hoad Asks
V. S. To f oicc Opinion
Of ISippon Policy
The University Wesley founda
tion has been placed on the honor
roll of the Wesley foundation in
Japan, as a result of a gift of $25
dollars and a visit from the Pacific
Basin debate team to the Japan
ese students' group, according to
word received here by Dorothy A.
Nyland, director.
The Wesley group here has been
keeping in close contact with the
situation in the Orient through
letters received from Dr. T. T.
Brumbaugh, director of the Wesley
foundation work in Japan.
A recent letter from Tokyo says,
"Some of you have suggested that
American Christians are a little ,
less sympathetic toward Japan
since the rise of the Manchurian
muddle . . . One wonders whether
the lessening of sympathy by
Christians in other countries at
this critical hour can in any way I
hasten the peaceful solution of the
Sino-Japanese difficulties.”
“I wish you could hear me talk
ing to my Japanese student friends |
about Japan’s violation of the 'sa
cred' treaty (Paris Peace Pact)
most recently signed by her emper
or, and of her obligation as a mem
ber of the League of Nations,"
Mr. Brumbaugh said in the letter
“But, somehow, every time we
westerners open our mouths to ac
cuse, the reply we get by reference
to Europe’s partition of Asia and
Africa past and present, and Uncle
Sam’s repeated aggression in Mex
ico and in Central and South
America without the trouble of de
claring ‘War,’ almost makes us
wish we hadn't spoken.
“I can tell you in America that
there considerably more than 7000
fine students and young people in
Japan who are seriously question
ing all this business of war and
economic exploitation and selfish
ness. And some of them will go to
jail rather than sear their souls
with hate and murder,” the letter
continued.
“Speak out, America! Speak
your conscience fearlessly. Tell Ja
pan what Christians in U. S. A.
think about the whole business of
war, violating treaties, Manchur
ian aggression, Chinese banditry,
war lord's caprice, dropping bombs
on defenseless cities, political an
archy, and tyranny as well yes,
and don’t forget to admit that you
don’t speak for America with all
her militarists and big navy advo
cates, her gang warfare, her lynch
ings, her moral debaucheries, but
for Christian America which hum
bly extends her love and help to all
the world,” Dr. Brumbaugh con
cluded.
Washington Ball
To Be Featured
By Period Music
Celebration Event Seeontl
Of Student - Faculty
Collaborations
Sprightly ballads, tuneful jigs,
martial airs, and patriotic songs
representing the music of George
Washington’s period will be fea
tured at the “Colonial Rout,” stu
dent-faculty ball on February 19,
celebrating the bi-centennial of
the birth of America’s first presi
dent.
George Barron, graduate assist
ant in the music department, will
hCad a group of strolling singers
to be composed of colonial and
frontier characters.
Barron, who is especially re
membered for his solo work in
“The Messiah,” presented last
term, is anxious for a large num
ber of students, both men and wo
men, to take part in the chorus.
Anyone having glee club or choral
experience may take part by com
municating with him at local 239
or by reporting at the first prac
tice tomorrow afternoon at 5
o’clock. The place for the rehear
sal will be announced tomorrow.
Among the numbers to be sung
by the chorus is "Fill Every Glass”
from the tavern scene in “The
Beggar’s Opera.” This opera was
presented for the first time in the
colonies in 1752. A theatre in up
per Marlborough in Maryland was
the scene of the opening. During
the five years directly preceding
the revolution it met with wide
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Fight ’em Now For
God and Country,
Declaims Charley
Shoes or Booze?
Shoot yourself, boys.
Pardon me, I mean suit your
self, boys. Wire your congress
man. The burning question of
the hour is before a senate com
mittee.
Four per cent is the vital is
sue—and it's not an interest
rate. Before Senator Hatfield’s
committee is marshalled a host
of “authorities” who testify
that four per cent beer will re
duce the standard of Mving, kill
the coca cola industry, hinder
prohibition enforcement, dis
please the American working
men, bring back “Blue Mon
day,” increase unemployment,
and substitute “booze for
shoes.”
"Most economists are on the
dry side,” murmured one au- |
thority, and Bishop James Can
non, Jr., applauded vigorously. .
Economics and theology are
strange bedfellows, n’est-ce
Large Numbers
Reserve Places
For Laidler Talk
‘Industrial Crisis’ Subject
Of Economist’s Speech
At Y Tonight
About 40 reservations have been
made for the dinner to be given
I tonight at 6 o'clock in the Y. W.
[ C. A. bungalow for Harry W. Laid
ler, it was announced last night.
Mr. Laidler is national represen
tative for the League for Industrial
Democracy and is well known in
economic circles for his ideas on
socialism, labor, and public own
ership of industries.
He will speak at the banquet on
“The Industrial Crisis’’ to mem
bers of the Y. M. C. A., Y. W. C.
A., Congress club, and Alpha Kap
pa Delta, sociology honorary, who
are jointly sponsoring the affair.
Lucille Kraus is in charge of the
dinner and is being assisted by Vir
ginia Hartje, chairman of the in
dustrial group, and Jean Elselre,
president of the upperclnss com
mission of the Y. W. C. A.
At 7:45 Mr. Laidler will speak
at the Y hut on “Politics in the
New Civilization.” In this he will
outline the changes in government
that have taken place in recent
years and present his ideas as to
the form of future governments.
This discussion will be the fourth
in the Y. M. C. A. winter term
series on the general topic, “The
New Civilization.”
Southern Pacific To Offer
‘Cent-a-Mile’ Rail Rates
Lowered Fare's on Transportation
To Rule February 19-22
Timed to cover the three-day
holiday occasioned by Washing
ton’s birthday, Southern Pacific
will hold another “cent-a-mile” sale
of rail transportation on February
19, 20, 21 and 22, according to F.
G. Lewis, local agent.
On these four days round trips
will be sold between all stations
on the company’s Pacific lines, ex
tending from Portland to El Paso,
Texas, also to Pacific northwest
points, for three-fifths of the reg
ular one-way fare, approximately
1 cent a mile. Return limit will
be midnight, Tuesday, March 1,
giving as many as 12 days in
which to make trips.
“Tickets will be good on all
trains, including the extra-fare
Cascade,” Mr. Lewis said, “and
will be honored in coaches and
chair cars or in Pullman, the lat
ter plus the usual berth charges.”
This is the first "Dollar Day”
sale held by Southern Pacific this
year and it is expected to attract
heavy mid-winter travel to the
cities and winter resorts of Cali
fornia and Arizona, according to
Mr. Lewis.
Idaho Women
Debaters Will
Speak Tonight
Nevada Divorce Laws TV
Be Argued
Bernice Conoly, Geraldine
Hickson To Represent
Oregon Squad
The women's debate team of the
University of Idaho will arrive ir
Eugene today to meet the Oregor
speakers, Bernice Conoly and Ger
aldine Hickson, tonight at t
o'clock, in room 110, Johnson hall
Oregon will uphold the affirmative
side of the question: “Resolved
that the divorce laws of the state
of Nevada should be condemned.’
The Idaho representatives, Mil
dred Peterson and Jewell Leigh
ton, are both speakers of experi
ence. Miss Peterson, in her first
year of intercollegiate contests,
has competed in high school and
freshman debate. Miss Leighton is
in her second year of varsity con
tact. She is a pledge of Delta
Sigma Rho, honorary forensic fra
ternity.
Oregon Team Experienced
Miss Conoly of the Oregon team
is in her third year of competition.
She is also a debate manager and
a member of Delta Sigma Rho.
Miss Hickson, member of last
year’s freshman squad, is in her
first year of varsity experience.
In speaking of the subject to be
discussed, Walter E. Hempstead
Jr., instructor in English, stated,
“The timeliness of the facts to be
argued make it of general interest
to all. In these days competition
between the various states for the
divorce business has become keen.
The ease with which the union of
marriage may be dissolved is be
lieved by many to be sacriligious
and a source of great social evil
due to the breaking up of many
homes.
Divorce Defended
"Others feel that easy divorce is
the only way by which domestic
discord may be alleviated. The de
bate Wednesday evening will bring
out the arguments on both sides
of the question, which should be of
importance to everyone.”
The debate will be of the non
decision type. This is to be dif
ferentiated from the Oregon plan
in which cross-examination is the
feature, though they are usually
non-decision also. John L. Casteel,
associate professor of speech, wili
be chairman.
Thespians To Entertain
At Meeting This Evening
Members of Twenty Living Groups
To Be Guests
Twenty frosh men representing
all men’s living organizations on
the campus will be the guests of
Thespians, freshman women’s ser
vice honorary, tonight at 7:30 at
the Chi Omega house.
Brian Mimnaugh, A. S. U. O.
president, will be the principal
speakers and will direct the discus
sions on problems encountered by
the freshman.
Marygolde Hardison, president
of the honorary, will preside at the
meeting.
The freshmen representatives
who will be guests at the meeting
are Bill Lake, A. T. O.; Hamilton
Thrift, Delta Tau Delta; Jeff How
ard, Phi Gamma Delta; Bob Fer
guson, Theta Chi; George Cham
berlain; Phi Delta Theta; Bob
Zurcher, Phi Kappa Alpha; Walt
Gray, Sigma Chi; Stan Klein, Phi
Sigma Kappa;
Howard Steib, Chi Psi; Bill
Wheeler, Sigma Phi Epsilon; Grant
Thuemmel, Sigma Phi Tau; Chuck
Clay, Beta Theta Pi; Jack Guiss,
Sigma Nu; Bob Hart, Phi Kappa
Psi; Bill Davis, Kappa Sigma; Or
ren Brownson, Sigma Alpha Ep
silon; Zanly Edelson, Sigma Alpha
Mu; Merle Sleeper, Friendly hall; '
Roland Blantz and Ed Fagan, from
the men’s dorm.
Marytine New is in charge of
arrangements for the meeting.
BEATTIE TO ADDRESS P.-T. A.
Professor W. G. Beattie, asso
ciate professor of education and
extension lecturer, will talk to the '
Santa Clara P. T. A. Friday eve- !
ning, February 12, on the purpose
of the P.-T. A. organization.
Hopkins To Speak
At Open Meeting
Of Music Section
An open meeting of the class in
i "Appreciation of Music Through
Understanding" will be held to
morrow. The class meets regular
1 ly at 10 a. m. in the auditorium
of the Music building.
George Hopkins, head of the
piano department of the school of
music, will lecture on the develop
ment of rhythm. He will trace its
development from the drums of the
Congo through the classicists and
romanticists to Ferde Grofe and
Rube Bloom, Eugene Goosons, and
Trving Berlin. He will illustrate
the talk with frequent selections
on ihe Steinway. Several numbers
in modernistic jazz are scheduled
for discussion, and Howard Hal
bert will play Hopkins’ “Prome
nod.”
Dean John J. Landsbury, pro
fessor in the two experimental
classes, "Lure of Music” and
“Appreciation," announced yester
day that students of the 9 o’clock
class, and Ihe general student
body as well, would be welcomed
at any lecture at any time.
The number of varsity athletes
enrolled in the course is a matter
of much discussion on the campus,
and now the entire school will be
given an opportunity to see them
in action in the "Appreciation”
class.
Dorm Director To Attend
Deans’ National Conclave
Will Visit Middle West Campuses
While on Trip
Mrs. Genevieve Turnipseed, di
rector of dormitories at the Uni
versity will attention convention
sessions of the National Associa
tion of Deans of women and of the
National Personnel and Vocation
al and Guidance Association to be
held in Washington, ^D. C., Feb
ruary 17 to 20.
Side trips to Columbia univer
sity in New York City and to
campuses in the middle west will
also be made by Mrs. Turnipseed.
She will leave here for the east
Friday with Hazel Prutsman
Schwering, dean of women, who
is also attending the convention.
About a week will be spent by
Mrs. Turnipseed at Columbia uni
versity, where she has been doing
work on her doctor’s degree. Other
schools to be visited will include
Iowa State university, University
of Chicago, Northwestern univer
sity, University of Minnesota, and
University of South Dakota. She
was formerly on the South Dakota
campus. A short visit will also be
made with her parents in Wiscon
sin.
Northwest YM Secretary
Plans Visit to Campus
Dr. Raymond B. Culver, secre
tary of the northwest field council
of the Y. M. C. A. will be on the
campirp nexli Monday, TucUday,
and Wednesday.
R. B. Porter, secretary of the
University Y. M. C. A., is arrang
ing a program for Dr. Culver
which will include meetings with
the “Y” cabinet and the advisory
board.
Dr. Culver is well known in the
northwest for his work in the Y.
M. C. A. He has been on the cam
pus a number of times in the last
few years, and many of his stu
dent friends will be glad to meet
with him again.
Juniors Delete
'Red Mill’ From
1932 Program
Class Definitely Cancels
Musical Show
Investigation Shows Small
Chance for Profitable
Returns on Play
“The Red Mill," musical comedy
selected by the junior class to re
place the Junior Vodvil this year,
nas been definite
ly and perma
nently cancelled.
This announce
ment was made
last night by Bob
Hall, president of
the junior class,
who with Ed
Ed Bolds and Ned
Kinney, financial
chairmen and
business m a n a -
Bob Hall
ger, respectively for the show, has
just completed a thorough scru
tiny of the probabilities of finan
cial success.
Small Profits Predicted
“The production as planned and
as it should be presented shows
little possibility of paying out.”
Kinney explained. “We have made
a careful survey into every mone
tary aspect of the situation, and
have concluded that only by a
miracle ‘The Red Mill’ be made a
financial success under present
conditions."
Bolds was confident that the de
cision was to the best interests of
the class. “We could not make
further plans,” he declared, "un
der the mere hope of breaking
even.”
Sorry To Lose Play
Hall expressed disappointment
over the outcome of the financial
survey, but believed that the idea
of substituting a musical comedy
for the time-worn vaudeville was
a good one.
“ ‘The Red Mill’ would have
brought to the University one of
the most outstanding of all Victor
Herbert’s works. It would have
established an enviable precedent
in campus entertainment. The
fact that it has proved impossible
to present the play this year should
not deter future classes from con
sidering the idea seriously.
“The junior class will devote its
entire attention to making Junior
Week-end a success. We shall not
try to find a substitute for ‘The
Red Mill’ or the Junior Vodvil, but
shall try to give the campus a
Junior Week-end celebration that
will surpass any in recent years.
“I appreciate the work that the
student committee has already
done on ‘The Red Mill,’ under the
leadership of Ethan Newman, and
regret that their splendid efforts
should be wasted.”
High Hat Library Receives
New Shipment of Books
A shipment of 260 books arrived
yesterday at the University Co-op
book balcony.
The following well-known series
are represented in this group:
Modern Library, Star Dollar, Blue
Ribbon, Everyman, Illustrated Edi
tions (a new dollar series), and the
Universal Library.
Jap Razing of Chinese Press
Shrewd Move, Says Faville
The burning of the Chinese i
Commercial press at Chapei last
Saturday was a real blow to the
Far East, stated David E. Faville,
dean of the business administra
tion school, who visited the press
last summer in company with Dr.
Kiang, professor of Oriental
studies in the University of Oregon;
summer school.
The razing of the brick and stone!
building occurred during the bom-!
bardment of the Shanghai district!
by the Japanese, according to
newspaper report. The mammoth j
structure covered an area of 30
acres and was reported to be thej
largest commercial press in the!
world. It served not only all of
China, but the Philippines, Westj
Indies, Australia, and Malaya.
“The destruction of this famous
press was of more importance than
many people realize and deserves
more than passing notice along
with the burning of a native vil
lage. In destroying the press the
Japanese very shrewdly struck at
a vital instrument in the molding
of public opinion in China,” he
said.
The press published in many lan
guages, but was especially noted
for its exquisite color plate print
ing. In connection with the press
buildings was a large and valu
able library of old and rare Ori
ental books, which must also have
been lost if the plant proper was
burned, Dean Faville added.