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By JOE PIGNEY
The supremacy of football on the
Pacific coast is indisputable. The
precedent established last week by
O. A. Stanford, and U. S. 0. prob
ably will remain untarnished for
: several years to come. It was a
startling week, and the region east
of the Rocky mountains is still
| wobbly from the surprise.
Comparative scores make most any
■ coast conference team the champion'
of the United States. Oregon, who
i defeated the Aggies wh'o defeated
the Xew York Violets who beat Car
negie Tech who beat Notre Paine
who defeated the West Pointers who
. lost to Stanford, automatically bo
I comes one of the leading teams of
the country.
The Webfoots, however, just fin
ishing a tremendously successful
season, need not seek reflected
glory. Oregon’s title ns champion
of the Northwest and the fourth
place winner on the coast is suffi
cient glory for a team which has
been in the dumps for so long.
Oregon’s team next year should
be even better than the one this
year. To' replace the regulars, Bur
nell, Ilagan, Pope and Gould, and
the reserves, Woodie, Old, Keynov,
and McOutchan, will be a difficult
task for McEw.au, but the Oregon
coach already is considering who
will take their positions.
West Coast
Leads East On
1928 Gridiron
Californians Think Little
Of Oregon Victory
Over V. of C. at L. A.
Tho Webfoots’ victory over the
IT. C. L. A. Bruins at Los Angelos
last Thanksgiving day did not ex
cite the southern football critics.
On the contrary, they had very little'
but a chorus of “boos” for the team
which overwhelmed U. C. L. A., 26
to 6. Oregon was a heavy favorite
to win, and won easily. Here, how
ever, is what the Californians think
1 of the Webfoots:
“Oregon University’s highly tout
ed football team, rated as one of
the best that ever represented the
northwestern institutions, went on
parade" yesterday at the Coliseum
before .'15,900 fans in a game against
the IT. C. L. A. Bruins and after
all was said and done the Webfoots
had defeated the local boys by a
20 to 6 score but the invaders did
more damage to their reputation
than they did to the Bruins in com
pleting the job.
“The Oregon plovers entered the
game an easy 3-to-l favorite and
after floundering around for the
first half managed to run up a 6
to 0 lead. In the last half Oregon
ran up another 20 points but the
local boys outplayed the Wcbfooters
every inch of the way.”
Evidently a 26 to 0 drubbing
means little to, the author of that
statement, or perhaps the Bruins
have been beaten so badly from
time to time th' . year that the Ore
gon score was comparatively small.
Anyway, we suspect that critic as
^ being as local as the “local boys”
on the Ucla team.
* * *
To date no signs of tears have
appeared on the Oregon campus fol
lowing U. C. L. A.’s crushing vic
tory over the Webfoots who won
26 to 6. But here is the reaction
among the Oregon fans as seen by
a southerner:
“The game was a better disap
pointment, to Oregon followers, who
expected an overwhelming victory
with a game on the U. S. C. schedule
for the next year as a reward for
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Star Grid Choice
Wins Movie Pass
Month's McDonald Pass
Contest Ends Saturday
The season of all-star tennis is
upon 11s. All over the country,
coaches and football experts on the
Stadelman
l\ | M' » I I | I I
pointing horn and
thorn over tho
football map to
players whom they
think outstanding
in tiie past season.
T li e s e writers
get paid for their
selections. On the
: Oregon campus,
the best selector
will also be paid a
month’s free tliea
' ter pass for his
efforts.
Already several
nil-const conference tennis have been ,
linn (led in in the Knierald-McT)onald
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Music Lecturer
Of Sherman Clay
To Speak Dec. 6
G. L. Taylor Given Praise
By Ann Lamlsbnry Beck,
School Faculty Member
G. L. Taylor, lecturer for the
Sherman Clay Cfo. on the Pacific
coast, is to speak at the school of
music anditorium Thursday night,
.Dec. 6, at 8 o’clock. He will speak
■ on the topic, “All Kinds of Music
for All Kinds of People.”
Mr. Taylor spoke before a class
at the school of music yesterday
'morning and was very well received
according to Mrs, Ann Landsbury
Beck, instructor in music. Mrs.
Beck in praising Mr. Taylor’s work
says, “Mr. Taylor’s talk is infor
mative but given in a very inter
esting manner. His talk will be
appreciated by every one,. whether
musically inclined or not. Mr. Tay
lor is an exceptionally good speaker
'and establishes friendly relations
. with his audience, keeping them
always alert.”
Mrs. Beck states that townspeople
as well as students arc cordially
invited. She requests that all at
tending be prompt in order that the
talk may commence at 8 sharp.
Mr. Taylor plans to speak before
several groups in Eugene this week.
Among his talks will be an address
for Mu Phi Epsilon, national hon
orary music fraternity for women,
at 4 o’clock Thursday afternoon. .
Peace Banquet Tonight
At Men’s Dormitory
J. J. Hamlsaker, Portland,
Is Speaker on Treaties
,T. J. Hamlsaker of Portland who
was announced as the speaker at
the banquet of the Eugene Council
for the Prevention of War at the ■
Osburn hotel, will instead address ■
the same group at the men’s dormi
"tory dining room this evening at
0:00 o’clock, according to Professor
H. 8. Tuttle, secretary of the or
ganization. Mr. Handsaker only re- ■
eently returned from Washington, j
D. C., where he attended the meet
of the National Council for the
Prevention of War. His subject
will be a study of sentiment regard
ing the Kellogg-Briand peace pacts. |
“All interested are invited to at- J
tend,” said Professor Tuttle in tell- j
ing of the meeting. “This meeting
is open to all students and faculty |
j members, arid we are desirous that
I they hear Mr. Hamlsaker.”
Work On Fine Arts Building May
Start In Near Future Says Regent
Hope Hint the Fine Arts building
may be started in the near future
was expressed by Mrs. George Ger
linger, member of the board of re
' gents who is in charge of tlie drive
for funds, when she was seen re
cently in Portland. The actual date
of construction depends largely on
the completion of a campaign for
funds now on in Eugene, she said.
“There is considerably more than
$200,000 pledged for the Fine* Arts
building fund,” said Mrs. Gerlinger.
The sources are as follows: Presi
dent and Mrs. Campbell and mem
1 | s of their family, $33,000; citi
zens of Eugene, $25,000; “Old Ore
gon” exposition and bazaar in 1925,
$15,000; alumni transfer pledges,
$45,000; founders of the Art Mu
seum, $1,000 each; family memor
ials of the prominent families of
the state, $500; a committee of
1000 or more have pledged $100 or
more each, thus making a total of
$1UU,UUU. liacn OI me xuay-rwu
classes having been graduated from
the university were asked to give
*100 as a elass gift. A few have
given more than the sum requested,
others hav.e not as yet pledged. By
the time the building is completed,
each class, Mrs. Gerlinger says, will
want this much of a share in this
beautiful and lasting memorial.
Many of the alumni pledges are
payable on July 1, 1929, this being
the end of the first five year period
starting in the summer of 1924.
There have been many miscellan
eous gifts. One source of help has
been that of the Fine Arts clubs
organized in the following towns
of Oregon: Eugene, with a $2000
pledge to be raised in two years;
Salem under the leadership of Mrs.
Clifford Brown, with its pledge of
i $1000 almost completed; Pendleton,
i The Dalles, and Baker, each with
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College Men
Get Younger,
Seven Oregon Students
Only 16 Years 061;
Seniors Average Is 22
‘Under Age’ Quota at
School Rated as High
Birthday Survey Shows
Youthfulness of Many
Seven students of the University
of Oregon are only 1(5 years old,
while 120 have not yet reached their
18th year, it was revealed yesterday
in a study of statistics made public
by Earl II. Pallett, registrar. More
than liajf of the 3,0015 students on
the campus, are “under ngc,” for
1,078 have not yet. renchWl their
21st birthday.
The age of 20, with 557, lends ail
the groups. Of this number 208 are
men and 2150 women. The age of
10, with 287 men and 207 women, is
next. Only SS students, 44 men and
4t women, admitted being 28 or
over.
The statistics show that the usual
age of entering the university is 18,
with 327, approximately one-third,,
of the freshman class in this group.
Freshmen aged 10 total 261, those 20
include 137, while only 13 are older
than 23. The most common gradu
ating age is 21, with 115 of the
present class in this number. Ten
seniors are only 10, indicating that
they entered at the age of 15 or 10,
or were able to rush through their
university work more rapidly than
usual.
The median age for the university
is given as 20, with medians for dif
ferent classes as follows: freshmen,
men 10, women 18; sophomore, men
20, women 20; junior, men 21, wom
en 21; senior, men 22, women 21;
graduate students, men 25, women
24.
The average age was not figured,
sinee students who are 28 years or
older, would bring the average up
to a figure which would not be indi
cative of the true average of age.
Flu Cases Decrease
Over Thanksgiving
Infirmary Has Four Cases
Of Slightly Serious Ills
Thanksgiving holidays have evi
dently taken all thoughts of mere
things like influenza out of stud
bnt’s minds, for there are at pres
ent only twenty sufferers from that
disease under university care.
There are, however, four slightly
serious eases of other diseases at the
infirmary. Edwin Chase has had a
successful spleeneetomy performed,
and is doing nicely at present. Mary
Bess Taft is suffering from septi
cemia, Neil Taylor has gastric ul
cers, and Francis Mullins has sev
eral promising bumps on his right
temple, incurred in an automobile
wreck coming to Eugene from Port
land. The influenza victims are:
Eunice Taylor, Gretchen Kiel-, Row
'eii Gale, Fermin Falleur, Harold
King, and Norbert Carothers.
At Thatcher cottage the flu suf
ferers are: Ralph Brockman, Robert
Hardy, Delmer Boyer, Jack O’Keefe,
Perry Douglas, Ann Fedor, James
Overturf, Margaret Fischer, Dorothy
Bellington, and Lou Andre.
The annex has only four patients:
Fred Hollister, James Hind, Maurice
Tarshis, and Ralph Prose.
Fellowships Offered
To Faculty Members
Members of the faculty with
Ph.D. or M.D. degrees are eligible
for one of several advanced fellow
ships offered by Yale university, it
was announced last night at the of
fice of Dr. George Rebee, dean of
ttie graduate school here. Two in
the field of biological study carry
stipends of $1,500 each, another of
$2,500 is in biology or medicine, and
several ranging from $1,000 to $2,500
or more are in any field of knowl
edge.
Application forms may be had
from Dr. Rebee.
‘Y’ Cabinets To Meet
Tonight at Bungalow
Another Y. W. and Y. M. joint
cabinet dinner is scheduled for to
night at 0:00 o’clock at the Y. W.
C. A. Bungalow. War and peace
as applied to students is the topic
for discussion, and Miss Dorothy
Thomas, secretary of the Y. W. C.
A., is to lead.
Elizabeth Gesler is in charge of
the dinner, and Eldress Judd is to
arrange the program.
Dean Straub Works
Again After Illness
‘Grand Old Man' Finds
Staying Home Tedious
After mi illness of two weeks, the
longest time in liis fifty years of
teneliing at the university that he
has been absent, from classes on ac
count of sickness. Dr. John Straub,
dean emeritus, will meet his classes
in Greek again this morning.
“I don’t want it to happen again
,—I’m tired of it,” he said, expres
sing pleasure at being able to re
turn to his1 work.
Noted Belgian
To Give Lecture
Series in Vi Hard
Biologist Will Speak On
Activation, Fertilization
Of Egg, Starts Saturday
Professor Albert Bracket, of the
University of Brussels, Belgium, and
noted biologist, who is visiting Am
erica, will give a scries of scien
tific lectures at Yillard hall: “Ac
tivation and Fertilization of the
Egg,” will be the topic Saturday
December 8; “ Heredity as an Em
bryological Process,” Monday, De
cember 10, and “The 1 Organizators’
and Their Behavior in the Develop
ment of the Egg,” Tuesday, De
cember 11. All lectures begin at
eight o’clock and are free to those
who are able to attend.
Professor Brachet was born at
Liege, Belgium, in 1800. He receiv
ed his doctor’s degree in medicine
from the University of Leigo in
1804, and from 10”:! to 20, he has
been rector at the University of
Brussels.
Professor Brachet is a member of
the Royal Academy of Sciences of
Belgium, the Academy of Medicine
of Belgium, corresponding member
of the Institute of France, corres
ponding member of the Academy of
Medicine of Paris; associate mem
ber of the Society of Biology of
Paris, foreign member of the Royal
Society of London, Doctor, Honoris
Ckusa, of the Universities of Paris,
Strasbourg, Lyons, Geneva.
In 11)08 Professor Brachet was the
Laureate of the Institute of France;
he won the Series prize; and in
1910-Ui, ho was Laureate of the Five
Year Prize for Medical Sciences.
Washington Takes
Cross-country Meet
Minor ‘O’ Up To A.S.U.O.;
Hayward Calls Meeting
Cross-country season rvas finished
for Oregon at Seattle Thursday.
The three-cornered meet there with
Washington, Oregon, and W. S.’ 0.
participating, was won by Washing
ton, with W. S. 0. second, and Ore
gon third. The score was 35, 3(i,
and 44. *
Ralph TTill, Oregon’s prize entry,
placed third, the fifst two places
being taken bv Washington and
w. s. c. ■ .
Both Washington and W. S. C.
will award minor sport letters to
their men, but so far, Oregon lias
nothing to offer. As far as the A.
8. U. O. is concerned the cross
country men will have to wait until
next spring to fight it out for recog
nition on the track. The constitu
tion here specifies that cross-coun
try is a minor sport, and that
awards will he given to the team
which wins the coast conference
championship. There is no coast
conference.
Bill Hayward is turning his at
tention to regular track now. He
requests all track men, both varsity
and frosh, to meet at McArthur
court at 4:00 p. m. Wednesday.
Freshm an Com mission
To Hold Social Meeting
Tlie Frosh Commission will hold
the first of a series of social meet
ings this afternoon at 4:00 o’clock
at the Y. W. C. A. Bungalow. Fresh
man women from Alpha Chi Omega
and Alpha Delta Pi are in charge of
the program.
It was decided at a recent meet
ing of the Frosh Commission to hold
these meetings alternately with tlie
regular business meetings.
Manager of Emerald
Recovers From Flu
“Feeling fine now,” was the com
ment of Larry Thielen, manager of
the Emerald, yesterday, the first
day he has been “on the job” at
the business offices for more than
two weeks. Thielen lias been one
of the “flu” victims on the campus
and was in the Pacific Christian
hospital for about a week.
Air Courses
For School
Plan Meel
Aviation School H cads
To Hold Conference
With University Men
Committees Will List
Studies That Will Aid
Aeronautics On Rise Says
Dr. Hall; Need Is Seen
Following a preliminary meeting
hold last week, 1 ho University of
Oregon committee on aviation will
in e o t Thursday,December, C, at 3
.ur. nail
o ciock wnn in 11
oiaIs of the Hold
Airways air school
of Eugene, when
plans will lie made
for listing of
courses and ma
terial at the uni
versity that will
lie of aid to stu
dents of aeronau
tics, it is an
nounced by I)r.
Arnold nenneir n:m. iwnnwia m
the aviation committee, which is
headed by Dr. Warren D. Smith,
heart of the department of geology,
are enthusiastie over the possibili
ties that they believe are open in
this field.
. The university does not plan to
offer courses in fixing, since it is
felt that this is 1 lie work of tech
nical schools such as that main
tained here by Ilobi Airways, but
it is believed that aviation students
can greatly benefit by a regular
university education which can be
obtained while they are taking fly
ing instruction.
Grads To Have Chance
On the other hand, aviation offers
an excellent field for university
graduates, and those who are now
completing business or other courses
at. the university can learn flying
at the -local school and then go into
the actual business as employees for
airplane construction companies or
mail and passenger concerns.
Courses that may be taken with
profit by prospective aviation stu
dents will be segregated, and sug
gested outlines of study may bo in
cluded in the university catalogue
when the work of the committee is
completed. Major E. G, Eckerson,
pilot and instructor of the Hobi
Airways school, will meet with the
university group this week. The
university committee consists of Dr.
Smith, Dean David E. Eaville, (lean
of the school of business adminis
tration; C. II. Hicks, professor of
mathematics, and George II. God
frey, assistant professor of .jour
nalism.
Aviation on Upgrade
“Aviation is everywhere com
manding more and more attention
throughout the entire United
States,” says Dr. Arnold Dennett
Hall, president of the university.
“1 have just noticed a bulletin from
ibe U. S. department of commerce
which states Hint dl more cities
have begun construction on airports
and that at an international civil
aeronautics conference to be held in
Washington December 12 to 14, <10
foreign countries have already
agreed lo send delegates.
“At the University of Michigan
more than 200 students are enrolled
in aviation courses. New develop
ments in aircraft, making them
faster and safer, and what is more
important, new developments in air
traffic and business affected by it,
make it important that students of
today give this great new field
serious thought.”
French Club To Hear
Belgian Professor
Professor Albert Uraehet, visiting
professor from the University of
Brussels, Belgium, will address mem
bers of Ee Cereie Francois and
friends, at a meeting to be held at
the Chi Omega house Saturday
afternoon, December 8, at 4 o’clock.
His address will be in French, and
his subject will be “La Vie des
Ktudients dans les Univcrsitos Euro
peenes,” or “Student Life in Euro
pean Universities.”
Anyone interested is invited to
attend the tea.
Library Adds Table
For Catalogue Csers
A new table has been added for
the use of those consulting the card
catalogue in the reading room of
the main library. The one table
that was used before was too
crowded. The catalogue ease, has
also' -been re-arranged in order to
accommodate the new table.
Cleming on First
Lecture Totals $21
League Collects $3 13.50
Ami Sells 230 Tickets
F.v sol 1 ins; 258 tickets for tlio lec
fnro scries il sponsors in tlio inter
ests of the foreign scholar, the
Women’s league took in $.11:1.50 Ire -
fore the last lecture, clearing, how
ever, only
.Margaret Cummings is the chair
man for the sale of these tickets.
Working with her are Gladys
Clausen, Harriet Atchison, Daphne
Hughes, and Phil Smith.
This committee carried on a cam
paign among the faculty, the stn
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Frosli Playing
Time Compiled
For Past Year
Sieve Flelelier Leading
Willi 240 Minutes in
Lineups of Five Games
Stephen Fletcher, halfback, 'with
210 minutes playing time, has move
service to his record than any other
freshman football player. Next to
him are .Tack Krdlev, end, 20!) min
utes; Irvin Schultz, tackle, 2.08
minutes; Francis Keltner, tackle,
207 minutes; and Eric Forsta, cen
ter, 20414 minutes.
Others are as follows: Bean
Ricks, end, 19314; Silas West, guard,
178; Weston Hayden, guard, 107;
Jim DeMers, fullback, H12; A1
Browne, halfback, 15014; Raymond
Neveau, quarter, 120; Gilbert
French, guard, 120; Desmond An
derson, guard and end, 11714.
John Bollwage, back, 109; Clar
ence Diz.ney, back, 108; Glen Bes
sonette, guard, 100; John Londahl,
back, 9014; Harold Norton, tackle,
84; Edmund Clark, tackle, 77.
The rest of the list is: Edwin
Anstev, 3; Nathaniel Brown, 59;
Carl Berger, 60; Allen Bean, 00;
Joe Black, 40; Marshall Brownell,
7; Shirley Carter, 5%; Alois
Cliarlesworth, 2014; Bradford Bat
son, 15V.; Alfred Edwards, 4414;
Joe Fetters, 2; Eldred Jeffers, 50;
Robert Robbins, (ill; Gardner Rapp,
49; Eugene Tarbell,* 18; Sanford
Whiting, 48; Holbrook Watts, 04;
Thomas Ward, 1414.
Jliis time takes in all games on
the yearling schedule. The games
and their results are:
Oregon, 19; Monmouth Normal, 0.
Oregon, 0; Ashland Normal, 0.
Oregon, 27; Aggies, 0.
Oregon, 0; Washington, 7.
Oregon, 0; Cottage Grove high, 0.
Oregon, 13; Aggies, 0.
Tire<l, But No Home?
Go To This Club Room
Department of Physical
Education Is Sponsor
Cosy, comfortable, and attractive
ly furnished are all adjectives that
may be applied to describe the new
club rooms at the Woman’s build
ing. It was furnished by the physi
cal education department for the
use of anyone who might like to
“drop” in between classes or any
other time that the strain of campus
life proved tiring.
There is a davenport, easy chairs,
a chaise lounge and a writing desk
of interest. Soon arrangements will
be completed so that tea can bo
mode right in the room. It may bo
used too by any club or group de
siring a place to meet. Orchesis
uses it and the W. A. A. council
meetings are held there. The phy
sical education department has in
vited all college girls to come up
and get acquainted with the new
room.
Oregon Team
To Leave For
Hawaii Soon
Twenty-two Men To Make
Journey for Big Game
W i t h All-star Players
Mid-Pacific Islanders
Named Good Grid Men
Webfoots Will Spend Two
Days on Sight-seeing
Twenty-two members of tlie Uni
versity of Oregon football team will
Ionvo Eugene Tuesday, December 11,
bound for tbo sunny islo of Hawaii
to uphold the standards of Ameri
can college football against the on
slaughts of two Hawaiian teams.
The island teams to be played are
the all-stars of Honolulu and the
University of Hawaii. The Web
foots will battle the town team on
Christmas day and then tangle with
the brown-skinned collegians on New
Year’s day. The eyes of the na
tion will be focused on the green
shirfed players from Oregon in their
holiday battles as the Hawaiian
teams have been beating the teams
from the states quite regularly dur
ing the last few years.
Players to Start Soon
The Oregon team will sail on the
Wilheminn from San Francisco on
the twelfth and will arrive in the
“paradise of the Pacific” on the
seventeenth. They will have almost
a week in which to prepare for
their first game. There has been
some talk of scheduling a third
game to be played before Christ
mas, and if this game is staged the
big team from Eugene will put in a
busy two weeks on the island.
Two days will be given, over to
sight-seeing at the many famed
places of interest afforded by the
Hawaiian Islands and the squad
will leave Honolulu, homeward
bound, on January 3. They will re
turn on the Matsonia and will ar
rive in San Francisco on the eighth.
They are scheduled to be in Eugene
for classes on the following day.
Hawaiians Good Players
The football played on tlio mid
Pacific islands is of the highest
style, according to George Godfrey,
Mr. Godfrey spent several years in
publicity director of the university.
Honolulu on the staff of the Hono
lulu Star Bulletin. He declares that
the natives are very adept at the
American game and start playing
while in grammar school.
The preparatory schools develop
very good players for the university.
The climate on the islands is such
that the game is played all year
and the teams are well drilled in
fundamentals. According to Mr.
Godfrey, the idea that the natives
play barefooted is quite right. They
don’t wear shoes until they are
about Hi years of age when they
graduate into the larger leagues.
The players in the high school league
wear shoes.
Tricky Game Promised
The Oregon grid team will line up
against some \vry husky players in
their games and along with brawn
the natives are very speedy. They
possess well developed feet and legs
and play a fast tricky game.
The all-star team is composed of
former college stars from the United
States and the local university
team. They are well coached and
are rated on a par with the univer
sity. The University of Hawaii is
located on the hill overlooking the
city of Honolulu and has a student
body of about 800. Their record of
games played with colleges from the
mainland is very impressive and
they are expected to offer plenty of
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Emerald Editor, Minus Bombs and
Bullet-Holes, Returns To Paper
“A novelty cigarette ease was
tlie only ‘gun’ l saw in Chicago,”
Arden X. Pangborn, editor of the
Kmerald, who returned Wednesday
fro mEvanstOn, 111., where lie was
a delegate at the international1 con
vention of Sigma Delta Chi, men’s
journalism honorary, declared yes
terday.
Forty members from the United
States and Canada attended the
session, Nov. 19, 20, and 21 at Evans
ton, with the Northwestern Univer
sity chapter as host.
“The convention was featured by
the activity of the Oregon State
College chapter which won the effi
ciency contest,” said Pangborn. A1
Bates was the O. S. C. representa
tive.
The U. of O. chapter was rated
among the ten best, the Oregon dele
gate reported.
George II. Godfrey, director for
the university, was given recogni
tion by the fraternity when he was
nominated for office as one of the
four national counsellors, losing by
only a few votes. lie stood fifth
in the race, the Emerald Editor
said.
Outstanding speakers at the three
day session included William S.
Hedges, radio editor of the Chicago
News and president of the National
Broadcasting association; S. J. Dun
jcan-Clark, chief editorial writer of
! the Chicago Evening Post; Arthur
| G. Sheekman, columnist for the
I Chicago Daily Journal and a dra
matic critic; It. D. Calm, edi
tor of the Chicago Tribune; and
i Carl E. Bicknel, president of the
United Press association.
“The Northwestern University
| students certainly were gracious
' 1’iosta,” remarked Pangborn.