Mi uUHtu by Niiiw Co., Inc., J4S S.I. Main St., Mut-iire, Oi. Charles V. Stanton Editor - Gorg Cisfillo . Addy Wright Assistant Idiltr luiintil Mensier Member of the Associated Presi, Oregon Newspaper Publisher! Association, the Audit Bureau of Circulation Entered second class matter May 7, 1920, at the post office at Roseburg, Oregon, under act of March 2. 1873 Subscription Rales on Classified Advertising Paz EDITORIAL PAGE 4 The News-Review, Roseburg, COUNTING By Charles The use of machines to speed the counting of ballots at election time has been a theme in this column for a number of veai'S, ever since we heard cently publisher of the Port Umpqua Courier, Reedsport, offer the suggestion a long time ago at a meeting of editors in Eugene. Bill got nowhere with his heads against a wail for goodness- knows how long.. Sud rlenly, however, the suggestion from other newspapers. Perhaps, if enough demand is made, we 11 eventually get The most powerful voice Oregonian at Portland.' Use of voting machines mah County. Rather than lion dollars in voting machines, "with the accompanying problems of storing and transportation, use of an elec tronic tallying system is urged. The editorial writer points out: In Lo Angela County, where three million voters will use paper ballet because standard voting machines cannot eccem medate the scores ef candidate and Issues in the huge district, county officials have subsidized tests ef an electronic vote-tallying machine built by the Norden Division of the -United Aircraft Corporation. This remarkable device "reads" paper ballets at the rate of 10 per second, generates precinct totals en candidate and Issues, and printa and punches the results en IBM cards. The machine, it is reported, also can perform many other operations. Cost Too High Wallace C. Eakin, in ( comments at length on the fact that counting ballots takes altogether too much time. He, too, favors the use or a ma chine' to replace the counting boards and speed the collec tion of election returns. But which Los Angeles County is 000. That's too much money With that we can agree. It's ty, too. But we believe it machine which, available to cincts over the nation, could mqst counties could afford. "The whole operation would, presumably, pay for it self within a year," according Mail-Tnbune, Medford, who, The Ne"s-Keview. said, "Ve The editorial writer pointed out in The Oregonian that a recoil1-', of 656 election precincts in Portland, in connec tion wi'-h the election on the E-R center, revealed counting errors in 6.12 of those precincts. A machine count of election ballots would eliminate er rors, would bring modern automation to an obsolete, horse- and-buggy, inefficient system. A machine would kick out any defective ballots for immediate check by a canvassing board. The tally could be made official within a few hours from the time polls closed. Experimentation Needed Our slate laws at this time designate the method for conducting an election. Every step is detailed and all duties are assigned by legislative act. What we need is authority from the legislature to per mit the secretary of state, through the clerk of elections, to conduct experiments. Experiments could be made in some of the smaller counties counties where not too many people would be concerned and where accuracy and sanctity of the ballot could be preserved while checking out a new counting de vice. Considering the tremendous market, I believe the sec retary of stale would receive help and cooperation from manufacturers of business machines. It shouldn't be diffi cult to convert an existing type of business machine for the counting of ballots. The legislature, by resolution, could authorize the sec retary of state to conduct experiments, to woi'k in coopera tion with manufacturers of business machines to devise machines and methods and to report back when a satis factory system had been obtained. Counties could be em powered to buy machines and introduce the modern count ing method if they so desired. The expense then would be borne by the respective counties. I question that, the cost could be paid in one vear, as Allen feels is possible. But even if it took 10 to 20 years to pay the cost or, even if slightly mote expense was in volved than at present, the speed and accuracy would be of tremendous value. Hal Boyle Something Oughta Be Done About U. S. Fat Surplus NEW YORK (AP)-II is time the federal government did some thing to help Uie fat man. As it is now, nobody does much for the fat man except jeer him. "Hi. Tubby." they sav, poking him in the stomach. "Aren't you putting on a little weight?" Yet fat people are vital to the American economy. Since we have some 25 to 30 million overweixht people, they outnumber farmers or manufacturers by a large mar gin. Congress regularly rushes to the vescue of the farmer with crop benefit payments and to the aid of the manufacturer with protec tive tariffs. But the only govenment help fat people get is a periodic warn ing from the U.S. Public Health Service that if they don't lose weight they probably won't live as long. This is not enough. If fat people are a great natural resource ami they arel they should be treated an such. The government shoulBj encourage inem to reduce uy ni fering them solid inducements, just at it helps the farmer and the manufacturer and the oil well owners. For example, why not a fat de pletion allowance on your income : - Or. Thur., Nov. 17, 1960 THE VOTE V. Stanton ' W. M. "Bill" Tueman, re idea. We've been batting our begins getting some support some action. on the subject is that of The has been proposed in Multno. an investment of several mil the Democrat-Herald. Albany, the cost of the device with experimenting is around $500, for Linn county, he says. too much for Douglas Coun will be possible to produce a the thousands of voting pre be manufactured at a price to Eric Allen, writing in the referring to the proposal in agree wholeheartedly." tax? Under this nlan vour doctor would indicate how much over weight vou were, and give vou a diet. Then when you went to pay your income tax, the collector would give vou a 1 ner cent re duction for each pound you had lost, in recognition of your valiant and patriotic effort to save a worthwhile part of America namely yourself. And why shouldn't Congress strike off medals to honor them as "Heroes of the Battle of the Human Bulge, and Saviors of the National Waistline"? A federal fat control program such as herein outlined may sound like another raid on the Treaury by another special privilege group. Actually, it Isn't. Unlike the federal (arm surplus program it probably would more than pav its own way because it would keep millions of former fat people alive longer, paying taxes years beyond their expected span. One thing you c say about any one who opposes this pro gram of national recognition. He ain't a fat man. The fat man already gets enoueh advice. What he needs Is ftal help with 1 weighty problem. In The Days News y FRANK Wayne D. Crkldie, Utah state engineer, telle the National Agricul tural Credit Conference in Denver that if we can rocket a man to the moon we can bring the Missis sippi and the Columbia rivers to the arid parts of the West. He add: "Nature deliver enough water. The trouble is that the distribution of it ian't equal and uniform. Our problem is not that there isn't enough, but that we do not THINK we have the funds to develop it where it ia needed." That's in the distant future. Let's take a look now at the present and the near future. Dr. G. B. Wood, head of the department of agricultural econ omic! at Oregon State College, tells the Ninth Annual National Agricultural Conference, which is also meeting in Denver: "The bulk of the food and fiber consumed in this country by the end of the 1960's will come from fewer than half a million farms. As of now, 56 per cent of our farms produce only NINE PER CENT of our farm product!. He added: "Due to the changing nature of agriculture and the REVOLUTION ARY FORCES at work, thia coun try loses a farm about every FIVE MINUTES." What are these revolutionary forces that are decreasing the num ber of American farms at the rate of about one every five minutes? The MACHINE is one of them. In this day and age, it takes rela tively as much machinery to run a small farm as a big one. The volume produced by the small farm isn't equal to the task of buying the machinery necessary to produce economically. So the small farms are being merged into big ger ones. But that isn't the point of this piece. What we're interested in to day is FIBER. What is FIBER? In the past, we have thought of fiber chiefly in terms of cotton. James D. White Coexistence Isn't Issue In Peiping-Moscow Fight SAN FRANCISCO (AP)-It is now possible to reach a tentative conclusion about the real nature of the much talked of split be tween Peiping and Moscow over the question of peaceful coexist ence. In a word, coexistence is not the central issue. The real argu mentnever admitted seems to be over Red China's determina tion to take Formosa. Soviet Premier Khrushchev has been proclaiming that the great Imperialist war with the West pre dicted by Lenin is not inevitable. The Communist world is now strong enough to deter Wostern imnerialists from waaina such a war, and has more to gain through peaceful coexistence - permitting economic and political penetra tionthan it would through a nu clear war where it ton would be left in ruins, the Soviet boss ar gued. Chairman Mao Tse-tung of Red China has replied that Lenin was right and that anyone who says differently is guilty of being soft on Western imperialism. Behind Mao's obvious defiance of Moscow av a whole series of statements by Red Chinese leaders to this general effect: Johnson To Attend NATO Conference WASHINGTON (API Sen Lun. don B. Johnson, vice nresident- elect, will lead the big U.S. dele gation flying out of Washington Saturday to attend the North At lantic Treaty Organization parli amentary conference in Paris. Unusual American interest at taches to the meeting of parlia ment members from the 15 NATO countries because of the flight of goia irom tne united states. This will be the first time a vice president or a vice nresident- elect has been eligible to attend the meeting because delegations can include only Congresa mem bers and their staffs. Vice presi dents are members of the execu tive branch, but Johnson has not yet given up his seat as senator (ram lexas. Wives of most of the members will accompany their husbands. The senate delegation will in clude J. William Fulbright, Estes Kefauver, Maurine Neuberger, J. Allen Frear Jr., Thomas H. Kuch- el, Jacob K. Javits, John Sherman Cooper and Roman 1.. Hruska The House delegation includes Wayne L. Hays. Frank R. Smith, Winfield K. Denton. Victor I.. An fuso, Gordon Canfield, Peter Fre- linghuysen Jr., Robert R. Barrv Leonard G. Wolf and Laurence Curtis. Rep. Frank Thompson Jr., D N.J.. A campaim aide to Presi- dent-elect John F. Kennedy, also win mane me trip out not aa an otnciai delegate. Guantanamo Is Problem Of Law Castro Relates HAVANA (AP) Prime Minis ter Fidel Castro has told workers from the U.S. naval base at Guan tanamo Ray that possession of this installation in Eastern Cuba is "a problem of law, not of force." Government-controlled newspa pers reported Castro's speech to day, lie made it Sunday night in Guantanamo City at e high school about 20 miles from the main en trance of the base. This was Castro's first visit to the Guantanamo area since his 'government first raised the que ! tion of Washington surrendering the big base, leased from Cuba I by treaty early in the century. V JtNKMS wool, eilk, etc. But In the realm of fiber, something new has been added. The newcomer is WOOD fiber. It is a versatile product. Many synthetic textiles originate from wood fiber. Paper is made from it. The latest thing in that field ia STRETCHABLE paper. They're now using it for bags and packing materials. Industry is flirting with the idea of making disposable shirts for men and disposable dresses lor women of stretchable paper. No wash. No iron. Not even drip dry. Wear 'em and BURN 'em. Here in our State of Jefferson, we produce no cotton, relatively little wool and NO silk (rayon made from wood fiber substitues, from our standpoint, for silk.) But We have IMMENSE supplies of wood fiber. Wood fiber comes from trees-and trees are a CROP. We can go on growing them forever. That brines us back to water. When the times comes (as it must) when we are utilizing fully our wood fiber supply, we are go ing to need IMMENSE quantities of water to process it. So, if we are wise, we must see to it now that TOO MUCH of our "surplus" water isn't taken away from us for use somewhere else. Surplus water what is it? If bv surplus we mean ALL THE WATER ABOVE WHAT WE ARE USING NOW, it can be made to appear that we of southern ore eon and Far Northern California have a lot of water to GIVE AWAY. But if we take into con sideration the water we are going to need when we begin to utilize fully the fiber in our trees, our sur plus may be very small. We may not even have a surplus to give away. Conclusion: We must begin NOW to take into consideration our water needs in the future. If we don't, we might be badly crippled. With 650 million people Red China is best suited of all the powers to survive a global nu clear holocaust. She could lose al most half her people and still be the most populous nation on earth and the strongest on an earth where all modern industrial na tions lay in radiation-poisoned ru ins. But neither Moscow nor Peip ing acknowledges that these deep ly antagonistic attitudes amount to a disagreement, - Since 1957, when the first signs of a split appeared, the world has wondered what it really meant. The answer seems to be that co existence certainly is involved, but that the big, underlying issue is Formosa. Peiping claims Formosa as a province of China and Moscow fully supports this claim. But the tipoff comes from Felix Greene, a British businessman who lives in Palo Alio, Calif., and who recently returned from 4V months in Red China. - ' Greene reports he found the Red Chinese including Premier Chou En-lai absolutely inflexible on the question of Formosa. Greene recorded for television a 30-mintite interview with Chou. The Englishman, a journalist as well as a businessman, said this was a part of a much more hard- boiled attitude in Peiping than he had found on his first visit three years ago. He told a radio panel that the Chinese Reds will insist upon settling the Formosa question on their terms before even consider ing taking the Chinese seat in the United Nations. They are aware that a U.N. trusteeship for For mosa has been discussed,, and they want no part of it. Green asserts the Red Chinese won't talk on anything else with the United States until American forces withdraw from Formosa leaving it open to conquest. Here is where coexistence en ters the picture. Moscow is obli gated by the Sino-Soviet Treaty of 1950 to come to Red China's aid in the event of "hostilities from the direction of Japan." meaning America. The United States hi committed to the defense of Formosa through its treaty with Nationalist China. Coexistence with the West would go out the window if Peiping at tacked Formosa. In all probabil ity World War III would be on. If Greene is right, there Is little chance for an American "Two China Policy" as suggested by Chester A. Bowles, a foreign pof. ley adviser to President-elect John F. Kennedy. Visitors Break Record At Oregon Caves Park MEDFORD (AP) A record number of persons have visited the Oregon Caves National Monu ment this vear. Otto At. Brown. superintendent of the monument and Crater Lake National Park aaid. Through Oct. 31, he said. 100.170 persons visited the monument, high in the Siskiyou Mountains, and went on guided tours through the rave. He said he expects an additional 1.000 to visit it by the end of the year. The previous record of 98.790 was in 1949. Six Oia In Bui Craih ROME (AP)-A train crashed into a commuter bus 18 miles west of Rome Tuesday and author ities reported at least six bus passengers were killed. Six otters were taken to hospitals. Editorial ONI PARTY PRESS , Eugene Register-Guard Every election people, usually Democrats, scream about the "one party press." It may help tome of them get votes. But it u a false cry. This election, true enough, most newspaper supported Mr. Nixon, who lost. Otherwise, how ever, their support was split up. We made a spot check of Oregon newspapers in the weeks before election and found them divided, indeed. Here in the Fourth Congressional District, papers in , Medford and Coos Bay supported Charles O. Por ter, while papers in Albany, Eu gene, Roseburg and Ashland op posed him. The Grants Pass Cour ier, generally, did not make rec ommendations on candidates. Maurine Neuberger, the Demo drat who won, was supported by the Oregon Statesman in Salem, and by papers in Medford, Pen dleton, Astoria, Bend and Coos Bay and by the Portland Reporter. Her opponent Elmo Smith received sup port from the Oregonian and Jour nal in papers in Roseburg, Cor vallis, and Eugene. On the measures, support was divided many ways. On the pro posal for legislative revision of the constitution, which carried, the Oregon Journal, Portland Reporter, Salem Capital journal, and papers in Roseburg, Albany, Coos Bay and Medford argued for passage. Opposing it were papers in Eu gene, Pendleton, Corvallis, Bend, Astoria, and the Oregon Statesman in Salem. The defeated measure which would have effectively dispensed with the grand jury system was supported by both Salem dailies, the Oregonian. Portland Reporter. and papers in Albany, Bend, Rose- Durg ana renaieion. opposing it were the Oregon Journal and pa pers in Eugene, Baker. Medford, Astoria and Klamath Falls. Those who prate about the "one party press" often look to Labor's COPE organization. COPE, how ever, was lined up with papers in Eugene, Coos Bay, Medford. Rose burg, Astoria. Klamath Fails. Al bany and Portland in Its support of the veteran's loan measure. In its ooposition to the billboard con trol law, COPE found allies in the dailies in Albany, Roseburg and Corvallis and from the extremely conservative Oregon Voter. Pardon the expression, but one party press, our editorial fool. CONGRESS IS LOCAL JOB Coo Bay World Congressman Charles O. Porter's defeat in (his district at the hands of Dr. Edwin Durno of Medford illustrates once again that the posi tion of U.S. representatives is a lo cal one. even thoueh congressmen work in the heady atmosphere of Washington and In the exciting, worldly air of the U.S. Capitol. Voters do not mind, in fact ex pect, U.S. senators to be involved in national affairs, to be active in international affairs, and even to be world figures. But members of tne House tney expect to worry about the price of corn and hogs if they are elected from Iowa, let's say or the price of plywood if they are elected from the Fourth District of Oregon. There is scarcely a U.S. senator who cannot serve as a spokesman on international problems. It is ex pected by the country. But you cannot name a congressman with whom this is true. How many read ers can name the. chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee? As a matter of fact, there are newspapermen in Washington who cannot, name that gentleman. Voters do not wish their con gressmen, for that matter, to be very active in national affairs or to take the "national" view. With the exception of Congressman Sam Rayburn of Texas, who is speaker. Congressman John McCormack, who is majority leader, or Con gressman Charles Halleck, who is minority leader, there are few, or no, congressmen who dare take a "national" stand with comments for publication varying from the view of their constituency. The role of a congressman is lo cal. This may be a bad thing. But it is true. And it has been made so by congressmen themselves, all of whom were elected in whole or in part with promises not to forget the price of corn or plywood. Congressman Porter did not for get the price of plywood. But he said, when he was elected the first time in 1956, that he'd devote ap proximately a third of his time to international problems and he de termined to live up to that promise. The murder of Gerry Murphy on Dominican Dictator Trujillo'a or ders gave him an entrance into Latin American affairs which work ed well for his political good when he was re elected in 1958. hut which had turned sour on him by I960. His concern with international af fairs brought many trip abroad and over a period of four years gave the Impression to home folks that he was "flitting around" a good deal. This was an incorrect impression, but the voters en masse receive impressions slowly. Once the impression is locked into their political subconscious, it is locked there for good. Consequently when Porter came up for reelection this year he turned out to he vulnerable to a well-financed (S33.OO0 minimum) campaign against his weak points by a candidate. Dr. Durno. whose conservative beliefs in no way con form to the hopes and desires of those who elected him, and whose own party (Republican) is in a considerable minority in the Fourth District. His .victory over Porter was narrow in terms of votes. But it was gigantic in terms of parly registration. Porter from the day he began campaigning in September ( Durno had been campaigning since April) was off slnde. Durno's well-planned advertising campaign ("Why does Porter encourage Castro?") and similar twists of fact drove him to infuriated diatrnse instead of at tack. Of course, attack is difficult when financing is slender in a po litical campaign, and Porter did attempt, to talk about plywood and social Jioblems close to thus dis trict's heart, hut it never got through the public's consciousness, where the imgressicA) remained Comment fixed probably forever that Port er was more interested in the well being of Dominicans and Hotten tots than the well-being of the peo ple of the Fourth Congressional Dis trict of Oregon. Congressman Porter was an able representative of this district in the Congress. He won't be after next month, because being a con gressman is a local job. THINKING FOR OURSELVES Western World, Banden The average American, perplex ed by the numerous imnortant in ternational and domestic issues that confront the people of our great nation, findr it difficult to develop sound opinions in the face of the rabid partisanship that is exhibited by ambitious peliticians, newspaper columnists, radio and TV commentators, and other so called leaders of public opinion. There is a tendency on the part of many to accept, without ques tion, any statement or assertion that fits in with what the individual wants to believe. Moreover, there is a lamentable determination on the part of nearly everybody to try to persuade everybody else to fall in line with whatever is being ad vocated by the individual. Post-election observations mav stimulate the thought that it might be a good idea for us, once in a while, to pay tribute to the stub born independence of the hardy citizen who has the nerve to look the population in the face and say, despite flurry, "f don't agree." In fact, it might be even better, when you run across somebody who disagrees with you, for you to give your own views a mental check-up, intelligently assessing your own opinions on the basis of what you know, and what you do not know, to be the truth. This does not mean accepting the opin ions of others as undeniable fact. It means using your own intelli gence and experience to balance your own thoughts and aclions. Someone may ask. what hap pens in the case of the individual who hasn't the facts or the experi ence on which to base an intelli gent decision. The answer is sim ply to make inquiry, study the situation from all angles and don't rush your determination and act without due process. In other words, try thinking things out for yourself before making a decision. NEW GIMMICK Portland Reporter We hear of a new gimmick that has crept into the lore of soil con servation. It could produce highly beneficial results in land preserva tion. Called "slurry," it is said to con sist of a mixture of grass seed, fertilizer and wood pulp, with wa ter. This is sprayed on the ground by means of an air blast. The wood pulp dries quickly, forms a protective coating over the ground, under which grass will sprout and form that vegetative cover which is so important to erosion control. Slurry may have an important roie to pertorm out in the wide open spaces. We doubt it will prove practical, or needful, for putting hi a new lawn on your tront yard WEISFIELD'S lP?V 3.25 MONTH 11 1 " l l V MISS AMMICA U0IIS S.25A MONTH L 7m Ml BHfH&i:- I W - Vil I IOTAI cuwn t MW 3aaA AjCN Reader . Appeal Made For Additional Funds For YMCA Building To The Editor: The Y.M.C.A. is facing an acute shortage of money for construction of the new building in Stewart Park. About $70,000 is involved in pledg es. Those pledges will be paid in time. But the project needs dol lars now. We would rather pay as we go than to borrow on the strength of the unpaid pledges. The building has reached the fin ishing stage. Every effort is be ing made by the Board of Direc tors to keep construction going. To continue building, however, we must receive payments on pledges. A highlight of the building is a Lodge Discounts Offer Of Post NEW YORK (AP) Henry Cabot Lodge, leaving for a vacation in the Virgin Islands, has discount ed any possibility that he might be offered a post in the new Dem ocratic administration. The unsuccessful Republican candidate for vice president boarded a plane at Idlewild Air port with his wife. He said they planned to spend a week or so in the Virgin Islands. Lodge told newsmen any possi bility that he might be offered or might accept an appointment by President-elect John F. Ken nedy was "a new idea." There has been speculation that Kennedy is i considering the ap pointment of top Republicans in his administration. Lodae and his wife traveled first class and apparently did not see Sen. Kennedy's sister, Jean Kennedy Smith, and her husband. Stephen, who rode in the economy section of the same plane. The Smiths, with their son, Ste phen Jr.. 3. were bound for a 10 day vacation in Puerto Rico. Portland Wins Round In Sanitation Hassle PORTLAND (AP) Circuit Judge John J. Murchison has awarded Portland a round in its legal battle with the Oregon Sani tary Authority over a city sewage disposal system. He sustained a demurrer filed by the city against an injunction asked by the authority, wnicn con tended Portland had made little progress in constructing a sewage disposal system. The judge said a proper com plaint should show that enforce ment would involve stoppage of an existing system, a written order with a time limit, that the time limit had expired and that the city has not proceeded in good faith Murchison said the oresent au thority complaint lacked these things. PRESENT THE BEAUTIFUL NEW 196! BUL0VA WATCHES LATEST STYLES FOR LADIES AND MEN USE WHSHiLD'5 fAMQUS LOW EASY CREDIT TERMS " BL M J I C Opinions beautiful swimming pool suitable for year around instruction, recre- ' ) ation swimming, team training and V competition, scuba diving, ana many other aquatic spdrts. The na tional Y.M.C.A. program, which is the most complete progressive pro gram, abreast of all the latest de velopments in instruction ana test ing, will be used by the local "Y according to Wayne Schuli, "Y" secretary. ' However, unless paymenis are made within the next two weeks. it may be necessary to delay com pletion of the building. :; Persons owing money on pledges are requested to pay all or part promptly, in addition to the mon ey due on unpaid pledges, the proj ect still is in need of money. We would be most grateful for help from people not previously con tacted, newcomers to the commun ity who would like to help with the nroiect. people who have made contributions previously but would like to give more. We know tne people or tnis com munity want to see the project fin ished. Many are waiting, we know, to use the swimming pool. We will be mest appreciative of any help, help from those who have made pledges or. from those who desire to give. . Checks may be made out to the -Y.M.C.A. and mailed to the Y.M.C.A. at P. O. Box 611, Rose burg. ' s - . ' Wm. E. Garrison -' Pres. Y.M.C.A. Board of Directors 1842 N. W. Dogwood Dr. Roseburg, Ore. Auto Output Takes November Decline WASHINGTON (AP) Indus, trial production held steady in Oc tober with gains and losses off setting each other. But the im portant steel and auto industries turned downward in November. Reporting this today, the Feder al Reserve Board said its index of industrial output for October stood at 107 per cent of the 1957 average the same as in Septem ber. This meant that October pro- . duction of mines, factories and utilities was 7 per- cent higher than in 1957. Compared with the first half of ' 1960, the board said, . output was 3 per cent lower in October. While noting a number of off setting cross-currents in October, the board said "current schedules indicate a decline in auto assem blies in November." And, it added, steel production showed little change in October and new construction activity de clined slightly while retail sales increased. Total employment- de-; clined and unemployment rose. . Commercial bank credit increased and the money supply rose slightly. thi weirs LAtaesr CUBIT JfWIUM lrrKTifct: