, Published by Newt-Raviaw Co., Inc., 145 S.f. Main St., lUwDurg, Oct. Charles V. Stanton Editor George Castillo Addye Wright Assistant Editor luuaeia Ma.nof.tr Member of the Associated Press. Oregon Newspaper Publishers Association, the Audit Bureau of Circulation Entered a second class matter May 7, 1920, at the post office at Roseburg, Oregon, under act of March 2, 1873 Subscription. Rates on Classified Advertising Page EDITORIAL PAGE 4 The News-Review, Roseburg, FACING REALITY By Charles V. Stanton Speaking at a political meeting in Roseburg a few days ago, ConR. Charles O. Porter publicly blamed Ore gon's lumber slump on "the high interest rate and anti housing policies of the Republican administration." Porter isn't the only candidate harping on that theme. It has been auite treneral down the line. Naturally, such talk sounds good here where ent upon the welfare of the Jumber industry. But it is hard for me to Relieve that anyone who will face realities and will speak with responsibility will urge that we build more houses when it is quite evident that we're already overbuilt. Reliable economists tell us that we have a surplus of homes in America. I saw figures recently that we now have 58 million dwelling units in this country with 52 mil lion household units. Is it smart to go on building houses when a surplus already exists, with the motive to provide a stimulant for the lumber industry? If private capital shies from the in vestment of money in home construction, because there is no sale for existing dwellings, should taxpayer money be used for public housing? If we prime the pump and turn out more houses to increase the existing surplus, what will be the final outcome for the lumber industry? It is indeed true that we would be greatly pleased by stimulation of the lumber industry. But do we want such stimulation by lowering property values and killing the market for the future? Room For Argument Concerning the frequent declaration that the country has a "tight money policy" I can see where there is room for argument between two schools of thought. That the tight money policy is to be blamed on the administration, however, is something of which I am not convinced. Our interest rales, which govern "tight money" are set by the Federal ' Reserve Board. The Federal Re serve Board was created to take our fiscal policy out of politics. The board is non-partisan. It is the policy of the board to control the "accelera lion" of money. When money flows too rapidly, and in flation impends, the Federal Reserve Board hikes the in terest rates, whereupon less money becomes available for loans and general circulation. There is less borrowing at the higher rate. The movement of money is slackened. Then, when there is too little money moving, interest rates are dropped, whereupon more money goes into circulation. The amount of money in circulation has a marked ef fect on inflation. It is the movement of money, its accel eration or its sluggishness Tather than the total amount, that produces inflation, recession or depression. So the Federal Reserve vide a balance. It applies brake to keep the country a money moving at nearly uni form speed. Should those agencies within the policy con trol of the administration act contrary to the Federal Re serve Board? But there is another philosophy connected with the movement of money. Revenue From Growth There appears to be one school of thought that we can have cheap money and, by increased production, levy more i taxes and thereby secure enough additional revenue to pay ! the costs that would accompany cheap money. On that basis we're told that we should let down the bars that have been erected against inflation. Be that as it may, I can't be convinced that we are using good sense to build more houses than we can sell or ; occupy, still expecting an industry to prosper. We built 1 1 million dwelling units in the last eight years. That's more than we are said to need. This talk then of building more houses, seems to me to sound more like "sweet talking" the voter and the in- dustry than facing up to reality. Planes Seek Sub ! OH Guatemala WASHINGTON (AP) U.S. planes have made a search in the Pacific coastal area of Guatemala in response to that country's re quest to check reports of an un identified submarine, the Navy has disclosed. This development was the latest in a flurry of submarine sighting report and hunts. It coincided with a new claim by Soviet Premier Khrushchev to day that the Soviet Union now has atomic-powered submarines armed Willi missiles like the Polaris ships of tho U.S. Navy. There was no immediate official rnminent from the Navy on Khrushchev's claim. However, reports have been cur rent for several months that the Red fleet has from one to three nuclear submarines undergoing sea trials, part of a force of a dozen atomic-powered submersi ble built or being built. There was no disclosure of the results of the hunt off Guatemala. Both Navy headquarters and At lantic Elect Headquarters in Nor folk, Vs., said the U.S. planes had returned from the mission, Corral. is Woman Dies In Accident R. Kaiser, 40, of Corvailis, died i a nospnai nere vtrtmcsaiy iiiK'it Hum mjuiira ailliripu Alun clay night in a traffic accident. Hpr nuahanH alill ! h.tnt tt-at. rd for injuries suffered in the crash. The o!hcr driver was identified is Rudolph Bcaudetle Kll lWllon.1 Mrs. Kaiser was president of me lorrama junior woman i Club and wan. active In Demo eralic Party and Parcnt-Teachcri Association work. Ore. Fri., Oct. 21, 1960 we are so completely depend Board was created to pro the brake or releases the Oregon Employment Hits New Record SALEM (AP) There were 708,800 persons employed In Ore gon in September, the highest to tal on record for that month, Da- id Cameron, slate employment commissioner, said today. The ficure was 11.000 more than in September, 1959. but it dropped 19,000 from the preceding month. Cameron said the drop was nor mal because of the fall decline in farm employment. Cameron esti mated there were 2H..S00 unem ployed persons last month, or 4,800 more Uian a year earlier. However, unemployment de creased by 3,200 from the August figure. Cameron said this drop was caused by reopening of schools, causing withdrawal of stu dents from the labor market. Cameron said employment in 24 counties is belter than a year ago, with Multnomah, Lane. Washing Inn and Douglas counties having Uie largest gains. Mother Seeks Damages For Son In Collision PORTLAND (AP) - Damages totaling $101,700 are sought in a suit filed in U. S. District Court here Wednesday fur Jimmy Dor rey Olsen, 18. against the Spokane, Portland & Seattle Railway. The action was brought by his mother, Mrs. Evelyn V. Olsen. II is the result of the collision of a train and an automobile Dec. 11, 1959, in Scappoose. She argues that the railroad was negligent. She says the boy was riding in a car driven by another man when it was struck by a train car at a crossing. The suit says young Olsen re reived a fractured shoulder ami arm and other Injuries, In The Day's News By FRANK In Los Angeles the other day, Henry Cabol Lodge, Republican candidate for vice president of the U.S. and for many years U.S. dele gate to United Nations, was being interviewed on a TV panel show by a group of educators, lie was asked why, in his opinion, Soviet Premier Khrushchev came to New York for the UN session. He answered: "Well, the Communists might be trying to do today in New York what they did in Russia in 1917 (when the Bolsheviks took over.) In that year, they LOST AN ELEC TION, but Lenin declared that ex isting election procedures were outmoded, and the Communists took over anyway." . He added: "Khrushchev might have decid ed: 'If 1 come to New York and do what Lenin did in the constitu ent assembly in Leningrad, maybe I can BREAK UP the United Na tions.' " But, Lodge concluded, "I think Khrushchev will find the United Nations a harder nut to crack." ' Interesting? Well, listen to this: "The time may come," Mr, Lodge told his interviewers, "when tiie Soviets will be looking for new al lies to help defend them against their most formidable ally today COMMUNIST CHINA." He went on: "But, please note, I didn't say SOON: I said maybe my great grandchildrenand they are eight in number might see the day James ' Marlow Foreign Policy Is Subject Of Fourth Debate Tonight WASHINGTON (AP) For one hour tonight the presidential can didates will debate foreign policy on TV witn neither likely to pro duce a new idea on the No. 1 for eign policy problem: How to deal with Soviet Premier Khrushchev. They'll no doubt argue on who's tough, what each said or didn't say about Quemoy and Matsu, how to cope wilh Fidel Castro, aid for backward countries, and the need for big defense. They may even talk about a summit meeting with the Russian. America's basic policy in han dling international communism has been big defense, military alliances, and aid for countries which need and accept it to keep them out of communism. That was the Truman policy from the start of the Korean War. It has been the Eisenhower policy every since. In all their discus sions Vice President Richard M. Nixon and Sen. John K. Kennedy havo made no basic addition to it. What they are really arguing is not some new policy, but which of them can handle the old one belter. What they have said so far in essence is: More of the same but bigger. They have been discussing de tails of the basic policy although in the end the way those details are handled for instance, the size and excellence of our defense may mean the difference between survival and submission. Therefore, what the volers have to decide is which of these two men, Nixon or Kennedy, can be trusted to carry out the already established policy belter by new or belter programs to enforce it or enlarge it. ho tonight the candidates on TV will be doing a selling iob. each offering the same product in dif-J tcreni wrappings. The Nixon-Kennody disputes on foreign policy are in a sense an echo in reverse of the 1952 presi dential race between Dwighl D. Eisenhower and Adlai Stevenson. But the very echo shows how acute the problem has become.! Eisenhower then, as Kennedy is urging now, called for building up American retaliatory strength. And Stevenson was saying The Cartoonist JENKINS when the Soviets are so SCARED OK THE CHINESE that they might turn to us. Coming from Mr. Lodge, that is interesting, nut Mr. Lodue isu t alone in his feeling that there may be something to this much rumored break between the Rus sian Communists and the Chinese Communists. Speaking in London the other day, British Prime Minister Mac in ilia n predicted the democratic way of life, with its better moral and spiritual values, ultimately would triumph over communism He added, however, that Khrush chev's call for peaceful coexistence was more reasonanie man tne Chi nese Communist view of the inev itability of armed conflict. He added: "If I may venture, without im Dertinence. to join this controver sy, 1 am bound to say I lean more to the Russian and am opposed to the Chinese view. That is to say- Britain's Premier Macmillan takes some stock in this idea that Communist Russia and Communist China are HEADED FOR A SPLIT as was suggested by Mr. Lodge in Los Angeles the other day. What shall we do? We'd better keep our fingers crossed and our powder dry. But it is at least interesting when men of the stature of Air. Lodge and Premier Macmillan hint at the pos sibility of a split in the communist ranks. stronger measures were needed to protect American cities from growing Soviet airpower. That was only eight years ago yet in that time the peril of the contest with Communism, and al most its very nature, have in creased so enormously that it is almost as if the world had moved ahead from bows and arrows to cannon. American and Soviet airoower- bombers was the thing to worry about then for both nations. In the intervening eieht years airplanes have slid into the back.: ground and the giants are talking anoui ine power of tneir inter continental missiles. Ore. Woman Gets Long Prison Term ST. LOUIS (AP)-Mrs. Barlene McCracken of The Dalles. Ore.. was sentenced to 35 years in pris on in tcuerat district court today for kidnaping. Federal Judge George . H. Moore, in passing sentence, said he did not believe the story that the 32-year-old woman was forced by Hiller A. (Red) Hayes to par ticipate in the kidnaping of a po liceman and two others. Hayes, a 35-year-old ex-convlct, was convicted of kidnaping in the case and was sentenced by Judge Moore SepL 27 lo 99 years in prison. Mrs. McCracken pleaded guilty. Hayes said during his trial that he was in love with Mrs. Mc Cracken and forced her to accom pany him. A St. Louis auto agency sales man became suspicious when Hayes used stolen credentials in trying to buy a car last June 5. The salesman called police. One of the pursuing policemen was wounded in an exchange of gun fire during which the trio was held hoslage. Hayes and Mrs. Mc Cracken were captured near Wa terloo. 111. Judge Moore said federal au thorities had affectionate letters exchanged by Mrs. McCracken and Hayes, written when Hayes was in prison at McNeil Island, Wash., and when her husband was an inmate. Says: ..The Light That-Failed III! Editorial Lot Angeles Timet What began as an almost offhand disagreement over the location of the U.S. defense perimeter in the Formosa Strait has now exploded into an election issue. As often happens in campaigns, the verifi able record is becoming obscured by politically motivated charges and speculation which are far re moved from both reality and pos sibility. Kennedy's Position Sen. Kennedy believes that the defense line should be drawn to exclude the offshore islands of Que moy and Malsu, now held by the Editor's Note This editorial comment, taken from the Los Angeles Times, explains the his tory and policies connected with Quemoy and Matsu Islands, now being mad an issue in the pres idential campaign. The comment is reprinted for the purpose of giving information concerning the issue, which is expected to figure quite prominently in forth coming campaign activity CVS Chinese Nationalists of Formosa. If elected, Kennedy says, he would negotiate a withdrawal to insure that "not a single American dies on those islands." Vice President Nixon, standing by the firm and proved policy which has been in effect since 1954, believes that a Nationalist with drawal from the islands would be a gratuitous demonstration of weakness and a shattering blow to U.S. prestige throughout the world. This difference of opinion,- as Mr. Nixon has remarked, involves far more than "these two little pieces of real estate." These are the facts on Quemoy and Matsu: In 1954, the Chinese Communists openly'announced their intention of taking Formosa by military force. In December of that year, while Communist guns were shelling Quemoy and Matsu from the main land nine miles away, the United States signed a treaty with the Nationalists guaranteeing the 'se curity of Formosa and the Pesca dores Islands. Quemoy and Matsu were not specifically included under the terms of this treaty. President Ei senhower, however sent his per sonal assurances to Chiang Kai shek that this country would de fend the two islands if they were attacked. Secretary Dulles also said that while we would not de fend the two islands "as such," we would protect them if an at tack seemed a prelude to an at tack on Formosa itself. The U.S. Guarantee Quemoy and Matsu lie off the mainland ports of Amoy and Foo chow. The U.S. viewpoint was that since the Communists had said they would use force to take For mosa, and since the islands were in the way of any. invasion, then, in the words of Mr. Dulles, "the Chinese Communists have linked the coastal positions (Quemoy and Matsu) to the defense o Formo sa." Thus this country, without resorting to a formal treaty, went on record as guaranteeing their security. In 195g, when the Communists were again bombarding the islands, mis guarantee was implemented. The U.S. 7th Fleet escorted Na tionalist supply ships to within three miles of Quemoy and Matsu, helping them to break the Com munist blockade. The 7th Fleet had orders to fire if fired upon. The communists dirt not lire. American policy in the Formosa Straits had passed its severest test. this is the record on Quemoy and Matsu. The defense of the is lands, while supportable by Amer ican sea and air power, rests in Nationalist hands. Sen. Kennedy, in asking if voters want to see American fighting men die on these islands, is raising a com pletely emotional and fancied ques tion. In doing so he ignores the two most important facts regard ing the islands. Point 1 is that no Communist invasion is possible without air support. The Nationalist air force, Hying U.S. jets armed with de- vastatingiy etiecuve sidewinder missiles, has long since establish- -I 77T-. . i v 4 V lilt Comment ed air superiority over the Islands. At the same time the United Slates has put on Quemoy several eight-inch howitzers, capable of firing nuclear shells. (The war heads remain in custody of the U.S. Marines.) Any invasion fleet from the mainland could be wiped out by a nuclear air burst from one of these cannons. Prestige at Stake Point 2 is that any withdrawal of Nationalist troops would mean the islands were automatically ced ed to the Communists. Sen. Ken nedy, who at the same time he raised the Quemoy Matsu question also worried aloud over loss of U. 9. "position and prestige," should understand the consequenc es of such a withdrawal. It would not only encourage the Commu nists lo further aggression; it would also drastically undermine faith in the United States among every nation in the world with whom we have joined to halt Com munist expansion. As this is written the debate be tween the two candidates, which is sure to touch again on the off shore islands question, has not yet concluded. The issue, however, al ready seems clear. Sen. Kennedy favors withdrawal by the Nation alists to Formosa, with all of its consequences to Nationalist mor ale, encouragement of the Commu nists, and loss of faith in the in tegrity and resoluteness of 4. h e United States. Mr. Nixon, on the other hand, favors maintenance of the status quo, which has kept the Communists confined to the main land and which was asserted U.S. willingness to resist aggression. The issue and the differences are clear, probably clearer than any other points in this campaign. The electorate, in essence, is faced wilh the choice of appeasement or standing firm. They should have no trouble in making their decision. WHY WE CAN'T SUPPORT MR. PORTER Eugene Register-Guard , Two years ago, when Congress man Charles O. Porter sought re election, this newspaper gave him its qualified endorsement. We can not do so again. For, in our opin ion, he has not settled down to become a patient and effective member of Congress. Rather, he has continued a disruptive and dis orderly course in which he has sought to make of himself a one man foreign affairs committee. He has done so despite the wishes of even his own party which has con tinued lo restrict him to' minor House committees. Chiefly for this and similar reasons, the editorial support of the Register-Guard this year will go to Dr. Edwin Durno, the Republican nominee. Our abandonment of Mr. Porter is not born of anger, but of disap pointment. For here stands a man who had so much to offer. His tre mendous energies led him into by ways he should not have been ex ploring from his vantage point as a very junior congressman of ques tionable standing in his own party. His espousal of the cause of Red China (and the degree of this es pousal seems to vary from time to time) is. we think, damaging to the diplomatic position of his own government. A congressman, to be sure, should stand up in his own country and make his views known. But we question the wisdom of his junketing around the world and, in foreigh lands, sniping at the poli cies of his own government. In especially bad taste was his visit to the Far East in which he in sulted Chiang Kai-shek and got Into a squabble with the American am bassador in Tokyo. Mr. Porter's views on Castro also leave much to be desired. He sees the evil of the Castro regime. He is now circulating copies of com ments he made as early as Jan uary of 1959. the month Castro came to power, seeking to show that he was not, as his accusers say, "an apologist for Castro." However, his too-ready acceptance of Castro in the days when Castro was still battling Batista shows a tendency qn Mr. Porter's part to make snap judgments that should have been deferred. It shows fur ther that Mr. Porter is guilty of an attitude that too many Ameri cans have possessed over the years. He assumes that anybody who opposes a scoundrel is a fine fellow. Batista was a dictator. Cas tro was against Balisla. There fore Castro was good. That's faulty logic. Dangerous, too. We cannot see that, elsewhere In Latin America, he has done the American position any good. It is more likely that his junkets have been as confusing to Latin Ameri cans as they must have been vex ing to responsible officials in Wash ington. His trips on Cyrus Eaton's mon ey have revealed not "soilness to ward communism" as his enemies have hinted, but bad judgment. His gratuitous assumption of the role of the foreign affairs expert has resulted in causing disorder. And a foreign policy that is disor derly is dangerous. There are chan nels and there are reasons for them. If Mr. Porler had been con lent to bide his time, to "piav it cool" for a term or two, members of his own party, recognizing his wit. his intelligence, his personal charm, his devotion to duty and his high-minded desire for world peace might have assigned to him progressively greater roles in for eign affairs. But. by being too quick to jump, he has lost any effectiveness in this field. Republicans who nominated Dr. Durno last spring picked a man with a fine record in the Legisla ture and wilh a solid reputation in his home community. Although untried in the national arena, he shows promise of eflective. consci entious service in Congress. We see nothing to indicate he would go racing around the world, putting his own government in an embar rassing position in foreign capi tals. For him we have great hopes. Of Mr. Porter, after four vears, we reluctantly conclude that 'he is un bkely to "season." We do not choose to join those who accuse Mr. Porter of laiiness or inattention lo his job. Our criti cism of him lies in what we believe to be the all-important arena of foreign affairs. That is whv the editorial endorsement of the Regis-tcr-Uuard goes lo Dr. Durno. Reader AP Story In Error Says Baptist Minister To The Edilor: Last Friday's issue of the News Review carried an Associated u i,na,iiina gnH npwc release reporting that the Oregon Baptist Convention, meeting in aoicm. closed its meetings to reporters and that one of the reporlers had been told lo leave me nan. A m.mh,, nf rlnlpPntPS from tlie First Baptist Church of Roseburg, including myself, were present at tl,o nnnironlnn T WAR DOrSOnally present at the' particular meeting at wnicn me reporter waa buff"-"-" to have been ejected. I want to re fute the report by the Associated Press and the false impression made by the news release. At no time was the convention or any moaiinu in it dnspri lo anvone. The Capital Journal reporter was . . ... .... U-II ln tho not torn 10 leave me nau. contrary, he was invited and urged to remain for any and all sessions. 1 wish he had; it might have im proved his honesty. One address only was not for publication, and this for good and sufficient rea- nt l'yyei'ian nnlieV. It WaS Bulla w - feared that the address would be misrepresented, as it aciuany was when reported. Tha Kinvpnfinn was a refreshing experience of Christian inspiration and fellowsnip on a nign icvei. n is regretable that the Associated Press sent a reporter who was not interested in the significant but only in the sensational, or what could be twisted into the sensa tional. Eugene F. Gerlitz, Pastor First Baptist Church 813 SE Lane Ave. Roseburg, Oregon Reader Denounces Religious Literature To The Editor: After sending my article lo you, which I want to thank you for printing, I received some anti Catholic literature in the mail. I would like to give my opinion through your paper, if you would once again be so kind as to print it. One thing this literature said was that never in history had any church caused violence and blood shed, but the Catholic Church. I would like to know what they call the Mountain Meadows Massacre Thornton To Ask Protection Group SALEM (AP) It's time for Oregon to protect consumers from various kinds of frauds, says Atty. Gen. Robert Y. Thornton, who added he will ask the 1961 Legis lature to create a Consumer Pro tection Division. This division would file suits to recover money for persons bilked by salesmen. Thornton said it would protect the public against unfair interest charges, misleading or bait adver tising, and many other types of frauds. This Is so important, Thornton said, he is not demanding the di vision be placed in his office. He would like to see it put there, but isn't insisting on it. Thornton said he got the idea when he tried to prosecute 13 fra ternal benefit societies for alleged failure to pay their claims. He said he found that he was helpless under the law. The proposed new division would take care of that, he said. "This . proposed new division would be an aid to legitimate bus iness. It would drive out unethical and dishonest operators who are taking money from the legitimate business man." . New York Slate has an ideal Consumer Protective Division that even slays open two evenings a week to help wage earners who have complaints, he said. Massa chusetts, Georgia and California have similar set-ups. ii if MUSTS' FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH SUNDAY SERVICES 11:00 A.M. 7:30 P.M. "The Overeomer," .' "Law. of Growth" Church School, 9:45 a.m. Adults & Youth Fellowship, 6:15 p.m. Dr. Eugene F. Gerliti, Pastor : ' Rosa and Lana Streets GOSPEL MEETING CHURCH OF CHRIST 672 N. E. Garden Valley Blvd. 1 BLOCK IAST OF OLD HIWAY HEAR EVANGELIST CARROLL CHRISTMAS SPEAKING ON TUESDAY IVENINO, OCTOBIR 18, I960 1:00 P.M. "Has Miroeuloui Heeling Ceased?" WEDNESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 19, 1960 t:00 P.M. FeiMi Grace or Works Only?" THURSDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 20, 1960 I 00 P.M. The Sabbath Ii It Blna-ina. an Chriitiani Tadayl" FRIDAY EVENING. OCTOBER Jl, I960 1:00 P.M. "Inttrumanial Muiic le ChriiKan Worship Scriptural?" SATURDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 11, I960 1 00 P M. Sunday School . t Stnptural?" Sunday morning, October u, i960 - io ao a.m. Tho Communion" SUN?.AJ l.ViNI?G' 0CT08E 1 P-M. Mint We Belonn. ta a Church to ba Saved?" -M ' Opinions of the Latter-day Saints by the Proteslant churches in Southern L'lah in 1857. The two main lead ers, Lee Brandcroff and John D. Lee, were non-Catholic and they led a group of white men against Ihe Mormons, killing men, worn, en and children. It was a terrible slaughter. They attacked the Mor. mons because they believed, if let grow, Ihey would take over and rule the world some day. In 11 la nois and other states, persecutions were brought against them and brutal mobs attacked them and they were not led by Catholics. 1 do not say they have always done right in the past, nor have we. I do say we, as free people, have the right lo the faith we wish. We are undermining the Constitu tion of the United States when we run down anyone's religion. We should, so to speak, make sure our own doorstep is clean before we try to sweep someone else's. The communists would like to see us fight over religion and do away wilh it for good. This we may do if we keep passing out such litera ture. I still see no reason why all faiths cannot unile and fight Com. munism and not each other. It is a far greater danger, if we only realize it. The literature talked of Catholics in our armed forces and I am sure the enemy did not ask them if they were Catholic before they killed them. They were good enough to fight for us and yet not good enough to be President, according to this literature, I would like to know how we Protestants feel we are the only ones with such rights? If the best man happens to be Catholic we should not vote for him just because- he is. If so, our forefathers died in vain. Lorraine Tate 860 Tipton Road Roseburg, Ore. V CHRISTIAN 1 I SCIENCE J HEALSj . Station Sundays KYES 9:45 950 K.C. A.M. FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH Corner of Lone end Jackson The Rev. John E. Adams, Paitor 9:30 A.M. Church School 9:30 ond 11:00 A.M. - Morn ing Worship Services "The Golden Rule And The ' Royol Law" . 6:00 p.m Jr. High W.F. 6:00 p.m. Membership Class ' Inquirers Welcome 6:30 p.m. Sr. High W.F. Nursery Care r 9:30 ond 1 1:00 K - -Hi ' - O