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Flegel A
Senator Race
Seen Woven
Into Dispute
By GEORGE CASTILLO
News-Review Assistant Editor
The question of using county
O&C funds as offsets to the state
Basic School Support Fund boiled
up again today with new vigor in
Salem.
This time, the fight took on an
Intra-party flavor. State Rep. Al
Flegel told the state Legislative
Interim Committee on Education,
of which he is vice chairman, that
fellow Democrat V. T. Jackson is
intent on torpedoing Flegel's ef
forts for election as state senator.
1 In his statement to the commit
tee, he said educators and public
officials in the county met Aug. 1
to "devise a strategy for retaining
as much O&C money as possible."
rminhf Officer Attend
Attending that meeting, he said,
were Jackson, "father of me tte
publican candidate for state Sen
ate;" Morris Bowker, county as
sessor; W. M. Campbell, county
assistant school superintendent;
Eueene Fisher of Elkton, past
ni-ouiHont of the Oreeon School
Boards Association; and Merlin
Moriih nf Mvrtle Creek, then nres
ident of the Douglas County School
Boards Association. .
"The strategy adopted at t h e
meetine was to get tne oest pos-
sible compromise and hope was
Id not exceed 12Va
ner cent, which would save the
county a hall million dollars,
Vlnnnl nnnlimmrt
Turning to Jackson's personal
stand, Flegel said the judge had
taken the position that "it was in
evitable that the O&C counties
. . ii into Amp nf their money
to education." Flegel contended
.Taoksnn felt the counties "could
n,oii afford O&C funds for educa
tion tn Inn extent of 10 per cent
for the next four years and 25 per
cent thereafter." .
vloonl aairi ha carried out the
, "unanimous action of the members
of the strategy meeting"and made
the motion that tne interim com
mittee reduce its 25 per cent pro
nnsal to 12'a per cent. "Even
though I made the motion to in
clude a 12! per cent offset, 1
.Acttort mv nhiection to the prin-
ninU nf n&C monies being used
to offset the Basic School Support
i Fund. , j
in n.nimrlttl tones. Fleeel said
that Judge Jackson's- denial of
. having agreed to the 12Vi per cent
nroDOsal is not omy kucuifume
by the failure to state the com
iAia fonts tn pet himself re-elect-
A am a npmnprat. but to defeat
me in my campaign against his
Republican son." tnegei is luij
nintf Run inst the iudne's son, El
ton Jackson).
In a telephone conversation with
Judge Jackson today, Flegel's con
tentions were denied. "Never any
such a thing as 12ta per cent was
mentioned at this meeting, Jack
1 j son said. He claimed 10 per cent
X was mentioned as a figure which
the O&C counties "might not fight
too hard" and "we could live with
m - nnni" if thn Legislature de
manded it. "But it still wouldn't
be right and I definitely did not
agree to it," he said.
The O&C fund matter was intro
duced as part of a program being
studies bv the legislative commit
tee for the distribution of state
funns in rnnnties for educational
purposes. The committee has de
cided to request the Legislature to
lien onprial funds such as O&C as
offsets. This means the amount to
be received by the county irom
the state for school aid will be
minus the amounts of the portion
nf fha ennninl funds involved.
The Republican candidates for
the Legislature and Jackson have
all issued public staiemenis saying
they will fight use of any o&i
money as offsets.
Plywood, Lumber Post
Steady Prices Last Week
PORTLAND (AP) Pacific
' Northwest plywood and lumber
prices have been fairly steady the
past week. Crow's Lumber Market
News Service said Friday.
This was credited to production
curtailments due to the annual
deer season shutdown.
Quarter-inch sanded-en-one-side
stock was reported selling for $68
a thousand square feet. Sheathing
quotations were $92 to $94.
The Weather
AIRPORT RECORDS
Lew tleudi and foe tonight and
early Sunday. Partly sunny Sunday
afternoon. Cooler tonigm.
Highest temp, last 14 hours .
Lowest temp, last 14 hours
Highest temp, any Oct. ('SI)
Lowest temp, any Oct. ('54)
Precip. last 24 hours
PrAria. frnnl Oct. 1
(2
1 42
l
-24
. .21
1.20
Precip. from Stpt. 1 MS
Exeats from SDt. 1 J I
Sunset tonight S;43 p.m.
Sunrise tomorrow, tilt a.m.
Pages
ROSEBURG, OREGON
Hacks Jackson In
Support Measure Aiding Cities ,
To Finance Urban Renewal Plans,
Urge Of C. C. President DeMoisy
Roseburg Chamber of Commerce
President Ralph DeMoisy said he
is personally urging all local citi
zens to vote yes on "Measure 3",
an amendment to the State Con
stitution which would authorize the
State Legislature to provide an
additional method of helping cities
finance their share of urban re
newal projects.
This measure will appear on the
General Election ballot Nov. 8.
"As president of the chamber of
commerce. 1 feel that I have a
responsibility in calling to the at
tention oi tne voters of Douglas
County the necessity to vote yes
on this measure." DeMoisy said.
Now Impossible
"It is presently impossible for
municipalities to pay for the cost
of urban renewal development,"
he pointed out. Roseburg had ap
plied for urban renewal help for the
area devastated by the Aug. 7,
1959 blast but was turned down.
DeMoisy was at that time presi
dent of the urban renewal board.
He has said he feels urban re
newal, which is financed jointly
oy tne teaerai government and
municipalities which qualify for
the program. Is needed for carrv.
ing out renewal project in other
pans oi tne city.
"Under this plan." DeMoisv de
dared, "when a blighted area has
been redeveloped the assessed
value, and therefore the tax rev
enues, of the area are increased.
This measure will Dermit thn al.
location of the increased tax rev
enues and thus would pay the mu
John Roosevelt Raps Demo
Candidates, Praises COP
Aspirants At County Rally
"We can't trust ourselves to a
nice, well-meaning young man,"
according to John Roosevelt, the
maverick Republican of the Roose
velt clan who finished a whirlwind
tour of Oregon in Roseburg Fri
day night.
His appraisal of Sen. John F.
Kennedy was given at the biggest
political gathering in the county
in this campaign at the Douglas
County Fairgrounds. The rally
drew 350 people.
During his 25-ininute speech, the
44-year-old son of a former Presi
dent gave his stamp of approval
to Vice President Nixon, Elmo
Smith, candidate for the U.S. Sen
ate, and Edwin Durno, candidate
for U.S. representative.
Stumps For Trie
After explaining that he had left
the Democratic ranks to join thei
Republicans because of the Demo
cratic trend toward strong govern
ment control, he systematically
stumped for the three national can
didates. I
"I am impressed with Elmo!
Smith," he said. He described the I
Albany publisher as a man who!
"stands on his convictions and
does not wish to compromise his
principles." j
Strong Stand Demanded .
He said the atmosphere of the I
cold war demands that we have
legislators who draw the line on
the Communists and refuse to let
them budge past it as the "only
way to prevent another war. You'll
have that with Elmo Smith," he
said.
The big New Yorker then turned
his verbal guns vehemently on U.S.
Rep. Charles Porter, who is run
ning for re-election against a Med
ford physician, Edwin Durno.
By allusion, he lashed at Porter
for promoting the recognition of
Red. China, one time support of
Fidel Castro and the espousal of
the causes of Cyrus Eaton, the
millionaire, whom Roosevelt said
"espouses Khrushchev."
Sarcastically, he said: "Your
present congressman is well-known
in the East."
Finally, he aimed his potshots
at Sen. Kennedy. He said he was
amazed at the "gloom and doom"
being outlined by Kennedy. "This
image of our country is false and
we shouldn't have someone lead
ing us who believes it. We are not
a second rale power," he insisted.
Parties Compared
Shifting from the Individuals tn
the parties, he said the situation of
the United States is considerably
better than it was eight years ago
when a Republican president took
over. He said the war in Korea
was concluded and victory was
achieved on many fronts of the
cold war since then.
In addition, he said, the cross
national product has climbed from!
1147 DUiion to Soon in those eight
years while inflation was being
contained.
Ineffective' Session
Turning again to the candidates,
he said the ineffectiveness of the
Democratic presidential nominee
was demonstrated in the extra se
sum of Congress this year. As for
, bis running mate, Lyndon Johnson,!
nicipality's cost of carrying out
its plan.
'As a further note of explana
tion," he continued, "the division
would be made in this way: The
accrued cash value of the property
in the urban renewal area would
be ascertained at the time the
project is started. After the im
provements were made, the por
tion of the tax revenue cavable
on the value of the property prior
to redevelopment would be collect
ed and distributed to the various
taxing units in the usual way. Tax
revenues over and above this
amount resulting from the in
crease in the value of the property
after redevelopment, however,
would be set aside to pay the inter
est and principal on the municipal
ities' share of the project cost."
Urban Renewal
After this debt has been retired."
he continued, "alt the tax rev
enues derived from the property
in the renewal area would again
be distributed to the various tax
ing bodies."
The urban renewal aid is given
municipalities through the federal
government, which is later repaid
by the municipalities.
"This measure does not create
and does not authorize the creation
of any new or additional taxes,"
DeMoisy emphasized. "It permits
a municipality to carry out its
own renewal plan on a "pay-as-
you-go" oasis, mis is "do-it
yourself" activity."
"I therefore recommend that all
voters in our county cast a "yes"
ballot on Measure No, 3," he
stated.
he said facetiously:, "He has dem
onstrated his lack of confidence be
cause he is running for re-election
as a senator in Texas."
He had high praise for both
Nixon and Lodge, citing them as
the kind of leadership which will
keep the peace and continue to
boost economic growth.
"This is no time for experiment,"
he said. "We can't trust ourselves
f -
JOHN ROOSEVELT
to a nice, well-meaning young
man."
He concluded that the two Re
publican candidates for president
and vice president could be elect
ed only by considerable work on
the local level "to spread the
word."
Roosevelt is the youngest son of
former Democratic President
r ranklin Roosevelt. He Is the only
member of the family to move into
the Republican ranks.
Today, he is in Hyde Park, N.Y.,
preparing tor his mother s birth
day celebration. He left the big
Republican rally early Friday night
lh order to make connections with
a jet which whirled him to New
York City in time for breakfast.
96 High School Pupils
Suspended Over Gjrb
YORK, Pa. (AP)-Shoit skirts
have resulted in the suspension
of 96 high school pupils girto who
wore the skirts and boys who
joined in a sit-down strike,
Principal William N. Craley told
pupils of the Central UnicQ High
School Wednesday he felt certain
the skirts sometimes called
kilties were Indecent.
They had hemlines above the
knee. Some were several inches
above.
The 98 pupils refused to leave
Ihe school cafafa-ria Fhdav,
awaiting a "reasJWsble explana
tion' Richard E. Wallers, assistant
principal, immediately suspended
the strikers.
Craley said none would he re
instated until earn student, ic
companied by I pi
the school to talk
arent, comes to
things over.
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 8, 1960
O&C Fund Hassle
Political Wars
Blowing Hotter
The political wars blew hotter
in the county today.
John Roosevelt Friday night
turned his guns on the Democra
sional candidates at a big Repub
lican rally, and, closer to home,
state Rep. Al Flegel locked horns
witn leilow Democrat county Judge
V. T. Jackson. (See other stories).
Flegel, a candidate for state
Senate, contended he had been be
trayed by Jackson when the lat
ter denied he had ever agreed to
support use of 12l per cent of coun
ty u&c funds as offsets to the
state Basic School Support Fund.
Late this morning. Sidney Leik
en, Democratic candidate for state
representative, threw his lot with
Voter Registration Ends
At 8 O'Clock Tonight
Tonight is the last chance for
Douglas County residents to
register to vote in the Nov 8
general election.
The registration office, locat
ed in the basement of the Doug
las County Courthouse, will be
open until 8 p.m. for last-minute
registrations.
Persons eligible to vote must
be 21 years of age on or before
Nov. 8 and must have been a
resident of the state of Ore
gon for six months prior to
that date. They need not have
been residents of Douglas Coun
" ty for that length of time, just
of the state, to be eligible to
vote here.
Registrations have been brisk
in the last few days, and one
of the most interesting empha
sizing the precious right was
made by Ellen V. Olson of 511
SE Mosher St. She is an immi-
grant from Stockholm, Sweden.
Even though she's 87 years okly
she registered for the first time
Friday.
Fleeel. He told The News-Review
he also supported Flegel's stand on
the subject.
Even the grassroots activity was
picking up witn oniy a monin re
maining until election time. Dem
ocratic business women converged
on Democratic headquarters today
between 10 and 11 a.m. and 2 and
3 p.m. to meet county candidates,
and a Central Committee meeting
for Democrats was slated Sun
day at 2 p.m. at the headquarters.
Monroe Sweetland, candidate for
secretary of slate, will he one of
the featured guests at the meet-
The nonpartisan action was sup
plied by Warren Woodruff, candi
date for circuit judge, Friday. He
attended a coffee at the suthcr
lin home of Mrs. Lee Williams
and toured Sutherlin greeting vot
ers. He has scheduled coffee ses
sions every day next week in the
Roseburg area until Friday when
be will invade Reedsport to cam
paign. BLM Timber Sale
Yields $265,623
The Roseburg District of the Bu
reau of Land Management Friday
sold three tracts of O&C timber
containing 12.339.000 board feet ap
praised at $235,005.60 for a total of
$265,622.95.
Evans Products Co.. Coos Bay,
purchased the first tract, contain
ing 4,719,000 feet located on the
East Fork of Hock Creek, for the
appraised $89,152.75. The only oth
er qualifying bidder was Douglas
Veneer Co., Koseburg.
The second tract, containing 5,-
381,000 feet located on Elk Creek
and appraised at $105,209.10, was
purchased by the D. R. Johnson
Lumber Co. of Riddle for $135,101.
40. The high bidder paid $28.30 per
thousand for 4,698.000 feet of Doug
las fir appraised at $19.95. Other
bidders were Round Prairie Lum
ber Co., C4D Lumber Co., Bate
Lumber Co, and Roseburg Lumber
Co.
CiD Lumber Co. of Roseburg
purchased the last tract, contain
mi 2.2:19.000 feet located on the
West Fork of Canyon Creek for
$41,368.80. The tract bad been ap
nraised at tl9.583.75.
The high bidder paid $20.25 per
thousand for 1 879 ono feet of pong.
las fir appraised at $19.30. Other
bidders were Round Prairie Lum
her Co., Roseburg Lumber Co. and
Bale Lumber Co.
S.P. Ry. Mutt Retain
Agent At Myrtle Creek
SALEM (AP) Public Utility
Commissioner Jonel C. Hill Fri
day save the Southern Pacific Co.
permission to withdraw its agent
at Brownsville.
But he denied the compi-ir per
mission to withdraw iu Myrtle
crek aeent.
Hill said the Brownsville stent
had been serving the public less
than one hour a day. .
But al Myrtle Creek, he said.
the agent was putting in I dull
' eight hours a dsy.
PRICES.
Demo Campaign
Truck Destroyed
By $400,000 Fire
LEXINGTON. Kv. (AP) A
film and electronics truck leased
by the Democratic National Com
mittee was destroyed by file en
route here early today.
Driver Jim Allen of Hollywood.
Calif., was burned, but not seri
ously. An assistant, William Gar
lic of San Francisco, escaped
from the flaming vehicle unhurt.
An aide to Democratic presiden
tial nominee John F. Kennedy es
timated damage at $4(10.000.
Mobile Video Tape of California
owned the truck. Democratic offi
cials had been filming Kennedy's
campaign appearances for release
in short TV advertisements later
this month.
Allen said he was about 11 miles
north of here on Ky. 27 when he
saw a huge flash.
I looked back and the whole
truck was on fire." he said.
Firemen unhooked a trailer
from the truck and saved the tele
vision cameras.
The truck had left Cincinnati
Friday niKht to film a Kennedv
rally at Lexington. Kennedy aides
planned 10 replace the equipment
next week.
Grand Jury Files
Extortion Charge;
Pair Denies Theft
The Grand Jury for Douglas
County Friday returned an indict.
ment charging Burt Rollins, 64, of
Port Orford with extortion.
Rollins had been arrested earlier
this week on a private complaint nf
uavm Josenn. Burl o vernal v
.4 threatening to "accuse Blirt of a
crime with intent to extort pecuni
ary advantage and property.
Burt himself is. in iail on a fuel
five warrant from Oklahoma charg
ing ciiuu aesemon, ,
The Grand Jury also returned
tnree secret indictments. The jur
ors were released to bo called up
again next Friday.
In Curcuit Court actions. Elva
Jean Laney, 25, and her husband,
Ira Junior Laney, 34, both of North
Bend, pleaded innocent to previous
grand jury indictments charaini
burglary.
They were accused of acting with
Richard Juinor Smith and breaking
into the house of Standly D. Brooks
on Loon Lake Rd. and canying
away chattels of Brooks. Smith
also is under indictment and enter
ed an innocent plea earlier.
Laney was released on posting
$2,000 property bond and Mrs. Lan
ev was released on her own recog
nizance until property bond could
be arranged Monday,
234-60
Yanks Beat Pirates
In Third Game, 10-0
NEW YORK (AP) tight-hitting
Bobby Richardson drove in a rec
ord six runs with a grand slam
homer and a two-run single and
Mickey Mantle poled a two-run
homer Saturday as the New York
Yankees crushed Pittsburgh 100
for i 2-1 lead in the World Series.
Richardson, a .252 baiter who
had hit only one homer this sea
son and three in four years, be
came the seventh man in World
Series history to clout a grand
slammer. The blow highlighted a
seven-hit, six-run spree against
starter Vinegar Bend Mlzcll and
Clem Labine in the first inning.
The six run first inning for the
Yanks started when Bob Chev and
Mantle hit back-to-back singles.
Moose Skowron then singled to
score Chev after R6ger Maris had
linpd' out to Roberto Clemente.
Wilh Mantle on third and Skow
ron on first, Gil McDougald walk
ed to fill the bases. Pirate man
ager Danny Murtaugh then called
Plaintiff In Traffic
Crash Awarded Damages
William Sfaadccker has been
awarded general damages of $20.-
000 ans snecial damages of 85.035 m
against the Avondale Construction
Co. for Injuries suffered In an acci
dent. The award was by t trial
jury Thursday night.
The accident occurred Oct. 8. 1951)
about 8:15 p m., mile north of
Roseburg, when i truck of the
Avondale Co., driven by Lesls Berg-
lund, was alleged to have crossed
over lap renter line, striking Maad
ecker car.
Numerous Injuries were claimed
hv the plaintiff. He hsd ssked or
iginally for SM.OOO general, dam
ages plus special damages.
tlWER PROJECT AI0ID
WASHINGTON f AP)-Florence,
Ore., received a federal grant r ri
der nf SA0.2.V). It will ko toward
1 1 1240,865 sewage dupotal project
Projected Building
For Aircraft Firm
$550,000 Job
A $250,000 building permit for
construction of buildings to house
the Thalman Aircraft Co. was tak
en out with the Douglas County
Planning Commission this week.
The permit, issued in the name
ot Thalman Aircraft Co., Lynn
II. Andreas, president, was Issued
to H. W. Bean, Bean and Son Con
tractors, 1415 SE Douglas Ave.,
Roseburg.
Bean said today he plans to start
construction on two of five build
ings and has set Nov. 20 as the
target date for completion of two
buildings.
They'll be constructed on land
leased from Robert Housley, Port
land, which is located northwest
of the Roseburg Municipal Airport.
The Thalman firm bad originally
negotiated with the city for lease
of land at the airport, but took
the building permit for the land
to be leased from Housley Thursday-
.
Thalman Aircraft Lo. is nameu
after Harry Thalman, Salt Lake
City, Utah, who designed a tear
drop style private plane wnicn 1110
firm nlans to build in Roseburg.
The plane has been on display at
the municipal airport for several
months.
The building permit called for
the $250,000 to bo spent for a 30-by-220
foot hangar, a 100 - by 300
foot factory, a 30-by-100 foot office,
a 100-by-lOO foot warehouse and an
80-by-80 foot paintshop.
Bean said the firm plans to lease
the hanger space to local private
plane owners in me iiiimeumic
future and may use it for activities
of the firm later.
Barge Hits 60
Craft In Harbor;
Deaths Feared
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A 328
fnnt lumber barse rammed with
a tornado-like roar into moored
vai-hts and cabin cruisers in pre
dawn darkness today, smashing
many to kindling.
Police said there may have
been casualties,
Officers estimated 25 craft may
have been sunk and perhaps 45
others smashed. Newsmen at the
scene said the damage toll did not
nnninr this hish.
Capsized-boat and tangled de-
nns nueiea uie narwr buiihb
for more than 500 yards.'
A barge named Foss 200, a con
verted LST carrying two million
hnai-H feet of lumber from Cres
cent City, Calif., was being moved
by a tug, the Justine Foss, to
ward the Consolidated Lumber
Co. dock at 3:45 a.m. when the
rrAsh neenrred.
Those boats were piled up uxe
kindling," a U.S. Coast buards
man reported.
Navy skindivers were sum
moned to search the depths for
possible victims.
Gasoline spewing from crushed
tanks created a hazard.
Robert J. Davis was aboard his
35-foot cabin cruiser with his wife
and two young children when a
cruiser 10 feet away was sunk.
"My wife was awakened by
somebody screaming down the
dock," he said. "The crash sound
ed exactly like a cyclone I once
heard back east."
in his first in a series of relief
pitchers, Clem Labine who replac
ed starter Vinegar Bend Mizcll.
Elston Howard beat out 1 slow
roller to drive in Mantle. With the
bases still full, Richardson stepped
to the plate and slammed his
srandslammer living the Yanks a
60 edge at the end of the first.
In the fourth inning New York
broke loose for lour more runs
with the big bat of Mickey Mantle
providing tiie power punch. Mantle
hit a tremendous home run over
the sign 402 feet away in left field,
scoring Whitcy rord. who had
gotten on base wilh t Texas sing
le ahead of him.
It was Mantle's third home run
of the series and his 14th in series
competition, one under Babe Ruth's
record.
The Yanks loaded the bases fol
lowing the Mantle shot on three
consecutive hit by Skowron, Mc
Dougald and Howard, Richardson
picked up two more RBIs when
he powered a pitch off the Buc s
fourth relief pitcher. Georite Witt.
lor a safety to score Skowron and
McDougald. Ford, batting for his
second time in the inninit. Eround-
ed out to Mazeroski to retire the
side.
The Pirates were unable to
mount a threat In Uie game as
crowd of 70,001 watched Ford
limit the Pittsburgh club to four
hits over the nine innings. The
Burs used seven pitchers, equalling
a World Series record, while try
ing to quell the big Yankee bats.
The Yanks collected a total of 16
hits off Pirate pitchers with the
home runs by Richardson and
Mantle proving to be the deciding
faelor. ,
Ford's tnsstery over the Pirstes
was a delight to the Yankee Sta
dium fans. Only in the third and
fourth inning was the ace left band
er in any trouble. In both these in
nings he gave up a free pass.
In Sunday's fourth game at the
stadium, the Yanks will send
right - hander Ralph Terry (1081
against right hander Vernon Law
whn won Ihe opening game fur
Pittsburgh, 4. j
Rivals For Presidency
Exchange Sharp Words
In Acrimonious Clash
By JACK BELL
WASHINGTON (AP) Vice President Richard M. Nix
on and Sen. John F. Kennedy fought a bristling television
battle Friday night that left them miles apart on most cam.
paign issues.
With millions of Americans lookine on and listening in.
the unsmiling presidential nominees found common ground
on oniy a lew topics.
Neither would go into any sum
mit conference without prior diplo
matic spadework and some tan
gible assurance that Soviet Pre
mier Khrushchev meant to nego
tiate and not just to grind out
propaganda.
If recession threatened, both
would consider tax cuts to pump
new life into the economy.
f.ach sees difficult times ahead.
with spending for defense, eco
nomic assistance and other pro
grams rising.
No Punches Pulled
But from Cuba to Formosa Ken
nedy and Nixon disagreed on in
ternational aftairs. They threw
sharp remarks at each other about
civil rights. They whacked at each
other about the nation's position in
Transmitter Failure Stops
TY Showing Of Debate
Educational films on ana
tomy, industry and other facets
of American life, but only an
occasional glimpse of the pres
idential candidates appeared
on Rnscburg's television sta
tion Friday night.
KP1C Manager Aaron B o e
said the failure to broadcast
t he second of the great de
bates was because of transmit
ter failure at Eugene, from
which network programs are
relayed to Roseburg. While
technicians worked on the fail
ure lVi hours, the local station
used filler film.
line said efforts are being
made to rebroadcast the debate
in central Douglas County.
the cold war. Thev wrangled over
depressed areas problems and eco-
noinic conditions generally.
Who won? Both sides thouEht
they had, although the debaters
themselves said the decision won't
be known until next month s elec
tion.
Verdict Split
Democratic -National Cbairftran1
Henry M. Jackson said Kennedy
had "extended his gains" made
in the first debate. Sen. Mike
Mansfield (D-Mont.), held it was
"Kennedy by a decision.
Republican Chairman Thurston
B. Morion called Nixon a "clear
winner." He tossed In the charge
that Kennedy is "the apostle of
appeasement." Leonard V. Hall,
GOP campaign chairman, said
Kennedy snowed up "timid and
weak and afraid of the future.
This second of four scheduled
debates lind none of the polite toe
dancing that marked the candi
dates' first encounter. They never
used tne word, but each came
close to calling the other a liar.
More than once the cameras
found Kennedy listening to his Re
publican opponent with an air of
disbelief, a ''What's this?" expres
sion on his face.
Nixon, on the other hand, stared
Crippled Father
Combing Forest
For Outlaw Son
RUSSELLVILLE. Ark. (AP) -
The 75-year-old father ot fugitive
Joe Hiiderbrand limped through
the Ozark National Forest Friday,
trying to find his outlaw son and
talk liim into surrendering.
Lytle Hiiderbrand. who was
partially paralyzed by a stroke a
year ago, returned to his moun
tain cabin once Friday and said
he had found no trace of Joe and
his 18-year-old sweetheart.
"1 just don't want to see my
hoy killed," the elder Hiiderbrand
told a newsman before entering
Ihe dense northwest Arkansas for
est, where his son bas hidden
since November 1959.
Joe, 24, has been roaming the
Ozarks since he failed to return
to Tucker Prison Farm after a
furlough.
On Sept. 5, blonde Frances
Slandridge, whose home is about
a half mile from the Hiiderbrand
place in Bull Frog Valley, entered
Ihe forest with the fuxitivo. Fran
ces is the niece of Joe Hilder
brand's 40-year-old wife. The pair
is heavily armed.
Together thev have eluded a
full-scale manhunt, appearing like
ghosts in every part of the vast
forest, stealing cars and breaking
into bouses and stores.
Slaying Of 3 Of Family
Charged To Schoolboy, 14
ASHLAND, Ala. (AP) Ray
mond Eugene Brown, 14, was ar
rested at school Friday charged
with Ihe knite slaying of his aunt,
grandmother and great grand
mother. Circuit Solicitor Frank Head
said the motive was robbery. He
said the hoy admitted the slayings
and would he charged with first
degree murder.
The boy lived wilh his mother.
fsther and two brothers about 125
lamer miu iwif viuwiciB airuui 4M - , . D J II
yards from the rural house whereCP' Wpen Kood:
the three bodies were found last
Sunday.
The boy's parents, Mr. and Mrs.
Marvin Brown, wers hospitslized
Friday night for treatment of
shock.
grimly straight ahead as his rival
spoke, blinking his eves as ha
stored up ammunition for an often
caustic reply as his rival spoke.
The vice president, whose pic
ture left some of his supporters
wincing in the first debate, showed
up much better in this second ef-'
fort. Kennedy appeared a little
more relaxed than his rival.
Cuba's Status Argued
Nixon fielded the first nuestinn
and started off the "don't agree"
note that held throughout most of
uie crossiue of exchanges.
He didn't agree, he said, with
Kennedy's statement as rolalerl hv
a questioner Uiat the Eisenhower
administration should take the re-
sponsioiiity for the "loss" of Cuba.
lie said he doesn t believe Cuba
lost. He said there isn't nv
question that the people there who
want to be free "are going to bo
supported and that they will at
tain Iheir freedom."
But he wanted to make one thin?
clear. Nixon said: "There isn't
any question but that we will l.
fend our rights there."
Kennedy replied tartly he never
said Cuba was lost but onlv that
"Today Cuba is lost to freedom."
The candidates clashed just as
acridly over the defense of For-
mosa, held by the Chinese Nation
alists. Kennedv said thn ilnd nl
Qucinoy and Matsu, off the coast
of China,- had been called inde.
fensible in 1958 by Christian A.
Herter, then undersecretary of
state, as well as by military lead
ers. Nixon Flrai Back
"1 think it is unwise to take the
chance of being drugged into a
war which may lead to a world
war ovcr two islands which aro
1,01 strategically defensible, which
' evcoruing in ineir icsti-
mony, essential to the deiense of
Formosa," he said.
Nixon fired back that he com
pletely disagreed with Kennedy.
"Now, 1 think as far as Quemov
and Matsu are concerned that the
question is not the two little pieocir
of real estate," the vice president
said. "They are important. It isn't
the few people who live on them.
They are not too important. It is
the principle involved."
He said that if the United Slates
forced its Nationalist allies nir iim
islands, a chain reaction might re
sult. 'In my opinion." he snid. "ilii
Is the same kind of wonllv thini.
ing that led to disaster for Amer
ica in Korea. I am against it. 1
would never tolerate it as presi
dent of Uie United Slates, and I
will hope that Sen. Kennedy will
change his mind if he should be
eleclcdil'
U2 Incident Noted
A question about the U2 spy
plane incident brought from Ken
nedy the charge that Nixon had
"distorted" a statement the Demo
cratic nominee made last May that
It might have been wise for Pres
ident Eisenhower to express re
grets to Khrushchev if that would
have saved the summit conference.
He said that "rather than that
lie we told" about the U2's being
a weather plane, "it would have
been far better for us to have
followed Ihe common diplomalic
procedure of expressing regrets
and then try to move on."
Nixon replied that Eisenhower
was doing right in keeping in op
eration intelligence sources. Iln
said Khrushchev intended to wreck
me summit contorence in
any
event,
Alvin York, War Hero,
Honored; Now Invalid
PALL MALL, Tenn. (API It
was 42 years ago today that Alvin
York became the most famous
sergeant in history.
As American troops drove the
German army backward into Ar
gonne Forest, Sergeant York single-handedly
killed 25 Germans,
captured i:t2 prisoners, including
three officers, and then silenced
35 German machincguns. His onlv
weapons were a standard Army
rifle and an automatic pistol.
Gen. John J. Pershing called
York "the greatest civilian soldier
of Ihe war.
Now a retired semi-Invalid on
his farm here, York, now 72, was
honor guest today at a cercmonv
to be presided ovcr by Tennessee
Gov. Buford Ellington.
York's old American Legion
friends will give him an electric
bed, designed to move at any an
gle or elevation at the press of a
button His frirnd3 say his physi
cal comfort has become impor
tant. Supporters of thf Oregon
measure to control billboards
will probably applaud this
stoma in Ogdan Nosh's "Song
"I think that I shall never see
A billboard lovely at a tree.
Indeed, unless the billboards
(all
I'll nerar lee a tree at alt."
i Levity Fact Rant
j By L F. Reizenstein