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The Weather
U. 8. Wthr Bureau Office
Rosebura. Oregon
Forecast for Roseburg and vl
cinity: Partly cloudy tonight and
weanesoay.
Higheat temp, for any Jan. 71
Lowest temp, for any Jan.......
Highest temp, yesterday .51
Lowest temp, laet night 36
Precipitation yesterday 1.20
Precipitation from Jan. 1 3.71
Excess from Jan. 1, 1945 2.57
Exceas from Sept. 1, 1945 9.02
In f he Day's News
tCufluiusba xrom pat i
If it is really true that the
GREAT MASS oi our citizens Is
concerned only with the Interests
oi tne nation as a whole.
It Is lust Dossibla that Mr. Trn
man may be appealing to some-
ining mat aoesn t exist.
T OUGHT to exist, of course.
1 1 What Is good for ALL of us
is good in the long run for ANY
of us. But there has been so LIT
TLE emphasis on this fundamen
tal fact and so MUCH emphasis
on the political truism that the
way to got what you want is to
ORGANIZE and go after it.)
THIS thought Is put rather cyni-
cally by Senator Thomas, of
Utah, who says In comment on
the Truman speech: "The Prosi
dent of the United States, who Is
a Democrat, has spanked a Dem
ocratic congress. Let's watch the
results."
Thomas, you see, Is concerned
only with the political results of
What Truman has done. The
larger vision of what Is best for
the American people as a whole
escapes him entirely.
IT 13 a Utile hard at the moment
to see how we are going to be
iblc to realize to the fullest ex
lent the great opportunities that
lie before us unless we can get a
larger measure of UNSELFISH
leadership backed by a decisive
measure of public opinion that
UNDERSTANDS and ACCEPTS
that what is best for the nation
as a whole is best for all Its
people.
ADMITTEDLY we need relief
A from the rash of strikes that
Is delaying production for full
production Is the only cure for
what ails us right now.
But there is so MUCH SUSPI
CION.
Labor suspects that employers
are hoping to make swollen prof
its out of the seller's market that
now exists and will continue to
exist for some time to come. Em
plovers susect that labor Is
reaching not merely for higher
wages but for socialistic control
of business.
White collar people ,who are
rather generally unorganized,
suspect those elements of the
population that ARE organized,
Consumers suspect producers.
farmers suspect Industry In gen
eral, including both employers
and workers.
And so on. We could continue
the list almost Indefinitely.
IN THE midst of all this suspi
cion, with a big political cam
paign I for control of congress)
Just getting under way, how are
we going to lay out a program
for better relations between em
ployers and workers (which,
after all. Is the only permanent
solution of the strike problem)
that will be so wise and Just that
It will endure?
WE OUGHT to have such a solu
tion. The quicker we can get
it, the better it will be for all of
us. lint the prospect of getting it
lllGHT NOW Isn't too rosy.
I! jeom? prnruthl that we'll
have to do a lot more muddling
throughthat tilings will have to
get worse belnre the can get
much better.
There will have to he mole con
fidence and less suspicion before
we can hope for a permanent so
lution.
Life Bernini At
KANSAS CITY. Jan. I.V
Txilce r ifftrer Frank Hoover
wished "Rookie" Tom Morrison a
happy With birthday. Morrison
has been on the Kansas City
lore since 1897. But Hoover, a
Vollcenian since lb7, U sj.
CONSERVATION ESSENTIAL
Foreign Minister
Aewvrf la trvtoa Paaaia
y Cherls V. Slants
The Federal FIhIi and Wildlife Service is hoping more
people will hunt and fish but that they will temper their
recreation with more fun and less kill. Plans are an
nounced by a upecial Senate committee for a nation-wide
educational program, to be conducted in cooperation with
sportsmen's groups, state agencies and schools, to create
more widespread interest in conservation.
The nation's inventory of fish and game, it is reported
indicates that we cannot maintain the present rate of de
struction, particularly when we consider the greater range
of activity opened by new methods of transportation and the
increased number of persons who will be engaged in outdoor
sports.
Approximately 16 million people hold hunting and fish
ing licenses, the Fish and Wildlife Service reports. Return
ing soldiers are adding large numbers to this total.
Estimates are that at least 20 million licenses will be issued
this year.
Hunting and fishing is big business. Sale of camping
equipment, fishing tackle, guns, ammunition, outdoor cloth
ing, amounts to many millions of dollars. Other millions
go into transportation, vehicles, boats, motors, rental on
cabins, etc It is a business which needs to be safeguarded.
Fortunately, a great many people are aware of current
conservation needs, and a widespread program has been
developed, and is being enlarged,- to protect and conserve
wildlife.
We have made scientific studies of game problems.
Through research, we have learned feeding habits and by
planned control are Increasing herds of big game animals.
We have learned that when herds are allowed to become too
large for the amount of available feed, animals become
weakened and subject to diseases which often cause ex
tremely heavy losses. On the other hand, by utilizing a
process of special bag limits, numbers can be regulated to
correspond to the amount of food available, and healthy
herds, with a high rate of reproduction, can be maintained.
Much research is being done on the fisheries problem.
Trained technicians are studying effects of temperature,
chemical changes, food conditions, loss of natural cover, and
dozens of related problems, upon fish life.
But, even with all the research, with all the game
management, with all the improved hatchery methods, we
still will have much difficulty in maintaining fish and game
adequate to satisfy the millions of license holders.
The solution, as given by Dr. Ira N, Gubrielson, Fish
and Wildlife director, is that "everybody simply will have
to learn to get more fun out of a limited take."
What can be accomplished by controlling seasons, bag
limits and hunting methods has been demonstrated in
connection with migratory fowls. Ducks and geese were
bcipg reduced at an alarming rate only a few years ago.
Drflstic changes were made. Seasons were curtailed, bag
limits reduced; hunters using repeater type guns were
restricted to three shells in the magazine. A widespread
program of refuges, feeding areas, protection for nesting
grounds, etc., was developed. As a result, migratory birds
are now substantially increasing and it has been possible
to case some of the restrictions.
The problem simmers down to one of educating sports
men to share with others. By using lighter tackle, substitut
ing artificial flics for spinner or bait, using a camera
occasionally instead of a gun, a real sportsman can have just
as much fun without destroying nearly as much game.
In coming days, when jeeps, airplanes and other
methods of transportation will permit wider range of
sports activities, a conservation program will be essential.
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5 Editor (ab.)
Sen. Morse Would
Operate Colleges
Full 12 Months
WASHINGTON, Jan. 8-1V
Colleges would operate the year
around and "much longer hours
each day" under a prodigal ad
vanced today by Senator Morse
of Oregon.
He offered It as one way to
meet the porhlem of over-crowd-lug
by veterans, whose Uncle
Sam Is fooling their tuition bill.
Morse marie the suggestion In
an Interview In which he salrt
the administration's handling of
veterans' housing at colleges "is
j iiiscrarerui record constituting
bad faith."
The Oregon senator Is a for
mer faculty member of the Uni
versities of Wisconsin and Min
nesota ami served a term as dean
of the University of Oregon's
Law School.
Hut another excollege profes
sor, Chairman Elbert I. Thomas
iD.-Utah) of the Senate Military
Committee, saw nothing to, get
alarmed about in the hordes oi
college-bound veterans.
"They'll adjust to It," Thomas
told a reporter, referring both
to the colleges' efforts to make
room, .and to the would be stu
dents' plans to map out a course
they can handle.
home students win nnd they
have attempted too much and
will drop out," Thomas predicted.
"Some colleges which have had
small enrollments have never
tried very hard to handle moif
they II lind they can."
Housing First Problem
Morse said the housing slliia
ion will have to be solved lust.
He continued:
" The physical plant of our uni
versities will hHve to be run U
months out of the year and much
jnger nours etton day..
"Hut that would he very bene
ficial because the ! In edu
cational facilities has Iwn no
torious for many years."
Morse and Senator Guy Cordon
have had an educational-veterans
housing hill in the Senate
since but Mav 7. There are a
number of others. Morse said:
"lliere u no eciB, lor a single
unit of surplus war housing to
go unused. However,, various
agencies of the government is
sued regulations and rulings
which have made it an economic
Impossibility for most colleges
to secure the surplus and empty
housing units."
Training Meets Set for
Leaders of 4-H Clubs
Two 4-H t'luh leader training
meetings will be held in Iuglns
County this week. The first will
be held Wednesday, January 9, at
the l-ookmj,Tk'lasa School, starting
at 10 A. M. and running on
through the afternoon. A politick
dinner will he servej at noon.
Leaders of clothing, cooking and
homemaklg clubs are particularly
urged to attend. Miss Helen Cow
gill, assistant state club leader,
will lead the discussions and gle
instruction to leaders of all home
economics ty;e projects. Parents
and others tuteresied can attend
this meeting. This will he the
only leader training meeting of
thus type held this ear. Leaders
on the coast will meet In Heeds
port, Thursday afternoon, Jan
uary la
Flood Threat Eases on
Willamette River
IHm.TI.AND. Ore.. Jan. 7.--t.V
The Willamette River held a
flood threat over the week-end.
but the weather bureau said to
day the banks would not be
topped.
Colder weather halted the rise
at tugene and the level was
dropping there. Crest was reach
ed at Albany at 8 A. M. today and
it failed by hall a foot to touch
Hood stage.
SALEM. Ore.. Jen. 7. (.tt
New snow has made chains neces
sary at all mountain passes, the
State Highway Commission said
today, while most eastern Oregon
ponds reported that snow fell last
night.
Hrnrr Hess Sworn In
POHTLANP. Jan. 8.i.i
Henry L. Hess. Latirande attor
ney. uw swnin into office as
United Stales attorney here ves
tenlay in the court of Judge re.
H suo-eeds Carl C. Lo.4ugh.
vho xmed ihix term.
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Top Rank Players
Listed on Team of
House of David
The House of David basketball
team, which will appear at the
RoseburK Armory Thursday nleht
In competition with the Roseburg
Kecreation team, Is composed 01
ace ball players.
Included in the traveling squad
arc the following:
Babe Hallisey, forward, 6'1",
who Is playing his sixth season
with the Davids. He is the vet
eran of the team. A former Holy
Cross player, he combines clever
ball handling with smart floor
work. He is a good showman.
Bob Karstens, center, 6'3", hails
from Davenport, Iowa. He Is in
his third season with the Davids.
He puts on a puggling act that
Is reported to be well worth the
price of admission.
Ed Hansen, guard, 5'11", com
bines sieed and tricky- floor
work. He is playing his first sea
son with the team. He was re
cently released from the Navy.
Eddie Fessler, guard, 6'4", is a
former Marquette University
player. While servine with the
Coast Guard, he played several
games wun tne rniladelphia
'Pros."
Ted Hanauer, forward, G'l"
played his college ball at Uni
versity of Toledo before entering
the Navy.
George Anderson, manaeer
and guard, 5'11", has been in
cnarge 01 the team since 1337,
with the exception of his three
years in the Army. Until signed
by Uncle Sam, he had never had
a haircut nor a shave.
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5:1. Tom Mix, Ralelnn'a Purina.
K:II0 Oabriel matter. Krernl.
6:15 Mueical Interlude.
6-25 State and Local Newi.
(I: Spetllrht Banda, Ceca Cela.
7:00 Eventns Concert.
1:13 Rhythm Round I'p, Leckwood
Molars.
7:30 The Lone Ranter.
.8:00 Main Line. Southern Pacine.
S:n Fresh I'p Time. Seven tp.
:MI Alka Sellier .New.
:!.! Kex Miller. 8. and W. Fine Feoda
B:Xt Service Salute. E. O. Hlrh.
t:45 Fulton Lewis, Jr., Koseburf
Pharmaey.
10:00 Dennis Day.
10 15 Music for the Night.
10:30 Sign Off.
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Hoosman Gets Revenge on
Savold in Return Battle
NEW YORK, Jan. 8 P A
little over a month ago Manager
Jimmy Johnston watched his
highly touted Al Hoosman take
a lacing from veteran Lee Savold
and calmly remarked that his
boy was still a little green but
would make up tor that defeat
before long.
Last night, Hoosman, a lanky
heavyweight, made Johnston
look like a prophet as he handed
the 2 to 1 favore j Savold a Iirst
class shellacking in their return
10-rounder in Madison Square
Garden.
The six-foot five-inch Los An
geles Negro, who had been un
beaten in 25 pro fights until he
ran up against Savold the first
time, piled up points In almost
monotonous fashion with a flick
ing loft and a chopping right
that had Savold constantly baf
fled. Hoosman scaled 193i to
Savold's 196.
Savold dropped his towering
rival for a two-count with a solid
right to the heart fn the fifth
round. That was his only suc
cess of the night and earned him
his only round of the fight.
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Glendale Hoopsters Post
Easy Triumph Over Kerb
GLENDALE Kerby High's
cagers almost didn't score at all
against Glendale here Saturday.
Glendale took the game HI to IX
It was Glendale's game right
from the start.
The line-up:
Glendale fl) Pos. (15) Kerby
Harrong (20) J. (2) Johnson
Dompier Ui F Dickerson
Van Ptiine (14) C (2) Clark
St. Clair 22..G (A) Pavne
Christie G 15) Willis
Substitutions for Glendale:
Young (It; for Kerby: Campbell,
Hard, Brewer (2). Referee:
Jones; scorekoepers: Cox, Claire;
timekoocpr: McAllister.
Score by quarters: Glendale.
13. 2S, 43, 61; Kerhy, 8, 8, 1.1, 15.
Field goals: Glendale. 28; Kerhy,
7. Fouls: Glendale, 5 out of 7;
Kerby, 1 out of 3.
Basketball Scores
(By the Associated Press)
Oregon City 3D, McMinnville
38.
Klamath Falls 34. Bend 29.
Pentlleton 23. Mac Hi 20.
LelMiion 43, Redmond 40.
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Nazis Planned To
Slay 39 Million
Slays, Court Told
NUEHNBERCJ Jan. .im
Waflen SS. Lt."Gen. Erich von
Dem Back-Zelewskl told the In
ternational Military Tribunal yes
terday that the Nazis attacked
Russia with a goal of wiping out
30,000,000 Slavs.
Calmly and without batting an
eye, tue 46-year-old ardent Nazi
admitted that brutality was di
rected especially against partisans
on the eastern front and asserted
that the German hign command
could not help being fully aware
of the methods used.
Bach-Zelewski's testimony
caused noticeable fury among
the defendants when he told the
court he was making this "con
fession because I have found mv
conscience."
Leaving the courtroom, he
passed within a few feet of
former Reichsmarshal Hermann
Goering who sneered and uttered
a curse which could be heard 30
feet away. j
The witness commanded Ger
man units which suppressed the
Warsaw uprising in 1944 and was
awarded the Knight s Cross by ,
Hitler for his systematic destruc
tion of the Polish capital In a
61-day siege.
Allied officers said Bach-Zelew-skl
probably had witnessed more
atrocities than any other German ;
witness who has appeared at the ;
trial. j
Bach-Zelewski testified that
Himmler, former Gestapo chief,
since a suicide, set the figure of
3u,000,000 Slavs to be eliminated, j
He said there were no written
orders on how to deal with part
isans but he declared that the
methods used "certainly were
known" because full reports were
made on every operation.
Standing stiffly erect, he dis
closed under questioning by the
Russian prosecutor that the Nazis
formed a special brigade made up
of criminals murderers and rob
bersto combat the partisans. j
Another Incendiary Fire :
Hits Vanport; Loss $50,000
PORTLAND, Ore., Jan. 7 P) !
A third incendiary fire at i
noarhv Vannort Citv since Dec.
16 yesterday caused $50,000 dam
age to one of the war housing
center schools.
Assistant chief M. B. Schnack
enberg said a watchman reported
an explosion preceeded discov
ery of the Auditorium buildine
in flames. One fireman was
burned slightly.
Schnackenberg said the man
ner of the fire's origin was In
cendiary. On of the previously
set fires caused $140,000 damage
the Vannort shopping center.
SAW DUST
16" MILL WOOD
Prompt Delivery
DENN-GERRETSEH CO.
Phon 12S
402 W. Oak St.
SINGER
SEWING MACHINE COMPANY
Is Opening a Modern Sewing Center at
112 Stephens Street
(Opponte Post Office)
Register NOW for Your New SINGER
A Complete Sewing Course Given
-Repairs for all makes Sewing Machines
Services Buttonholing, Etc., Etc.
DIRECTORS
S. J. Shoemaker, Pres.
M. E. Ritter, V.-Pres.
H. O. Pargeter, Sec. & Mgr.
A. N. Orcutt, Atty.
Guy Cordon, Atty.
V. J. Micelli, Treas.
Edyth Gllmour,
Asst. Secretary
DIRECTORS
G. V. Wimberly
C. E. Wimberly
B. R. Shoemaker
W. F. Harris
N. Fullerton
Dexter Rice, Atty.
REPORT OF THE CONDITION OF
The Umpqua Savings and Loan Association
Rostburg, Oregon
Year ending December 31, 1945
RESOURCES
Notes Secured by Mortgages S 16,700.00
Notes Secured by D. R. Mortgages .... 274.764.75
Government Bonds 225.000.00
Sales Contracts 22.549.0H
Federal Home Loan Bank Stock 5,000.00
Home Office Building 24,000.00
Advance to Borrowers 624.26
Cash Balance, December 31, 1945 41,655.20
LIABILITIES
Investment Stock $556,459.62
Loan Stock 10.092.45
Other Reserves 709.18
Contingent Reserve 18.004.51
Surplus 8.369.62
Deferred Profit 1,807.92
Building Account Reserve - 9.000.00
Undivided Profits 5,849.99
Total $610,293.29
Total $610,293.29
STATE Or OREGON
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County of Douglas
I. H. o. Pargeter. Secretary of the above asso elation, do solemnly swear that Umj above statement ts
true, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
AUmt. O. PARGETER, Secretary.
SAM SHOEMAKER. President
Subscribed and sworn to befora nte this 5th day of January A. D. 1!H6.
W. F HARRIS.
Notary Public for Oregon
My commission expiree Nov. 30, 184S
THE OLD JUDGE SAYS...
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HARRY:" don't know what they'll weish
up. Judge, but my cattle and poultry sure
have been grttin' fatter since I started to
use distillers' dried grains in their ration."
OLD JUDGE: "You're about the tenth one
ho has told me that, Harry. How do you
account for it ? "
: "The by-product recovered from
stiliers is very rush tn vit.i-
HARRY:
grams used by distil
mm and protein content. It's the best frH
supplement we can set tohalance the rations
we feed our dairv cow, livestock and pon.
try. Mned with original grain, these dis
tillers' dried grains have i. much pester
feeding value than the original grain has."
OLD JUDGE: "Have any trouble getting
all you need?"
HARRY: "Yes, at times, even though the
distillers produced 1.200.000,000 pounds of
it for the year endin' last June. I hope they'll
be in position to produce a lot more
next year."
OLD JUDGE: "Then I pi-M nobody can
tell you grain is wasted in distilling." ,
HARRY: "Sol me, Judie . . . 1 know."